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turnturtle 
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 Topic: Laser radial sail pricePosted: 18 Apr 17 at 8:50pm |
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Dollar pricing to lofts from the Bainbridges of the world?
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Paramedic
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 8:48pm |
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A base model crosscut dacron solo sail is now £670 from a leading sailmaker.
Granted, it'll last rather longer.
Sails in general have undergone something of a price hike, i think you'll find the Laser sail hasn't proportionately increased very much more than anything else has. |
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Do Different
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 8:38pm |
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Yes the thread has drifted from the OP .
Leaving aside variations of the SMOD model and design rights. The point in question is very specific to Laser. I agree when buying a Laser you are in principle entering into a contract. HOWEVER. There is a moral principle that a contract is only enforceable if it is fair and reasonable to both parties. I and it seems several others consider that Laser price their wares unreasonably above a fair market price and therefore feel little moral pressure to adhere to the contract. BTW. I haven't had a Laser for a long while now, partly because I believe them in official full class legal form using genuine replacement parts (sails, spars, foils) to be vastly overpriced.
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bustinben
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 7:50pm |
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Well, the point of the thread was that the price has randomly increased by 37% without any warning before it was hijacked by people who may or may not agree with the SMOD concept as a whole  Personally I signed up to a class that sold you a new sail for 395 and had the understanding that it's only really good for a single week long regatta. When the class rules are up for a change we all get to vote on it...
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Paramedic
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 7:43pm |
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Club culture plays a big part. One club I sail at has a large fleet, almost all are on replicas - this is the club that needs to sort out its NOR! The other has about 4-5 regularly out, i think all are genuine sails. Interestingly the first club has a class start, the other does not! Some are quite hard to spot, and you probably have seen them just not clocked them as replicas.
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423zero
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 7:32pm |
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I have never seen a Laser with a replica sail, what percentage of Lasers racing "class" or "handicap" are using them ?
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 6:59pm |
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Most (all?) traditional classes measure every single sail. And every hull, mast, boom, foil, etc. We take it on trust that SMOD manufacturers will build every boat/rig to spec but who's to say if boats/rigs are never measured? An overweight boat is always going to be slower than a minimum weight boat, a better cut/carefully constructed sail will always be faster than a badly made sail, etc......
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Paramedic
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 6:40pm |
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If you are in that position you have chosen to buy a Laser. You have signed up to that, and everything that goes with it. Other classes are available. I dont see why some Laser sailors expect to have some "right" to do something that in any other class would be frowned upon. I have less of a problem if clubs do the things I suggested my last post.
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sandgrounder
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 6:26pm |
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Thankfully I ditched the Laser for the D-Zero - the North laminate sails seem to last forever. Additionally they don't even appear costly when compared to the price of a new Dacron Radial sail
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bustinben
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Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 6:11pm |
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That's exactly right - and crucially, they've upped the price of the "old 1 regatta radial sail" to the price of the "new hopefully more that one regatta standard sail", without updating the sail so it will last longer, or giving the sailor any other kind of additional improvement or value. ...or warning that it was going to happen.
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