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    Posted: 13 Apr 17 at 10:06pm
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Originally posted by andy h

To me I reckon that for every anecdote of the time a buoyancy aid has caused an issue there must be a hundred where they've saved a potentially bad situation.  There's plenty to be gained in analysing the issues and improving the design of BAs, but I'm certainly glad we're all forced to wear them.
Don't disagree but they could still be a lot better 
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googled 50 newton buoyancy aid, not much use anyway, 
inland water, 
help close at hand, 
competent swimmer
why bother if you have all of above.
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50N of buoyancy is still well worth having even if you meet all of the above criteria.  Agreed weaing a 50N BA doesn't guarantee that you'll float the right the way up after you're been knocked unconscious, but without it the chances are you wouldn't be floating at all.
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One only has to look at the drowning rate for water users who don't use PFDs as against that for organised water sport particpants who do.
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Originally posted by JimC

One only has to look at the drowning rate for water users who don't use PFDs as against that for organised water sport particpants who do.
Not really. BA users will include a large number of dinghy racers who have rescue cover, whereas non-BA users will include all sorts of people of dubious skills.
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Originally posted by JimC


- to greatly reduce the amount of energy you have to expend swimming.
 Really? Not done a lot of swimming then clearly, they absolutely hamper progress made swimming. One of the things that can happen to us (windsurfers) and to a certain extent dinghy sailors, the board/boat can get carried away quite quick by surf or wind, there is no way you would keep up or chase a board down wearing one, I'd bet the house on it, but in reality worse than that you're betting your life on it.




I find it a lot easier to swim with a BA on, I don't have natural positve bouyancy so I sink pretty quickly.
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Originally posted by tgruitt

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by JimC


- to greatly reduce the amount of energy you have to expend swimming.
 Really? Not done a lot of swimming then clearly, they absolutely hamper progress made swimming. One of the things that can happen to us (windsurfers) and to a certain extent dinghy sailors, the board/boat can get carried away quite quick by surf or wind, there is no way you would keep up or chase a board down wearing one, I'd bet the house on it, but in reality worse than that you're betting your life on it.




I find it a lot easier to swim with a BA on, I don't have natural positve bouyancy so I sink pretty quickly.
I have had boats drift away from me and not be able to catch them, IC with its seat sticking up in the air the worse. The BA is vital when you have tried to catch the wayward boat and are exhausted. How much buoyancy you need and how easy it is to swim will depend on what you wear. I dry suit sailor would need more buoyancy and find it hard to swim. I wetsuit sailor less buoyancy the thicker the suit but easier to swim depending on the suit. 
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I use a Surf board leash where their is a danger of boat being blown away. I have heard some people tie mainsheet to themselves.
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Being separated from the boat is a risk most people massively under estimate...
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