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    Posted: 01 Apr 16 at 8:31pm
And that is horse-sh*t

Trotting out the busy life, no time for hobbies excuse is simply that, an excuse.

The issue is that larger disposable income means that people are having a go at everything rather than getting into one sport and sticking with it. People's addiction to electronic gadgets is also sucking away their free time. It's ironic that the very devices designed to make life more efficient have actually had the opposite effect and now sucks people in to almost constant checking of social media.

For any times readers out there, how many spotted yesterday's article on the hiring of cleaners and the number of young people or low earners who stated they simply couldn't be arsed to clean their homes and would happily pay others to do it for them. These same people would certainly find sailing too much of a chore. I find it a sad state of affairs and certainly not a lifestyle I'd want my kids to aspire to.
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Originally posted by craiggo



Trotting out the busy life, no time for hobbies excuse is simply that, an excuse.


You seem to contradict yourself. 

I didn't say what people are busy doing ... They may be busy wasting their time in your opinion but still busy. 

I agree it is a lifestyle I wouldn't aspire to ... But many do. 




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I'm with Craiggo all the way on this one.

The issue is very nearly is not enough time but too much money. 

OK perhaps a little tongue in cheek and catch all but maybe not so far off.

People have become more fussy as well, won't simply get on and do stuff, often looking for a better option how often do you hear "it's not worth my time to go if www.whatever says it's under a f3". Two person boats "are so yesterday" "It's so difficult to commit to sailing with someone else". In anything in life you only get out as much as you put in, the net effect of the above sentiments is people put in less and get into a downward spiral of return.

Perhaps not so applicable to Silvers but all part of the overall scene.   
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Originally posted by craiggo

And that is horse-sh*t

Trotting out the busy life, no time for hobbies excuse is simply that, an excuse.

The issue is that larger disposable income means that people are having a go at everything rather than getting into one sport and sticking with it. People's addiction to electronic gadgets is also sucking away their free time. It's ironic that the very devices designed to make life more efficient have actually had the opposite effect and now sucks people in to almost constant checking of social media.

For any times readers out there, how many spotted yesterday's article on the hiring of cleaners and the number of young people or low earners who stated they simply couldn't be arsed to clean their homes and would happily pay others to do it for them. These same people would certainly find sailing too much of a chore. I find it a sad state of affairs and certainly not a lifestyle I'd want my kids to aspire to.


It is interesting, and I am inclined to agree that we have become more addicted to digital information in the same way that a smoker would be addicted to a cigarette. That in my mind adds up as a time waster. I also agree that people are flirting with doing more activities to a mediocre level rather than one or two well. Generationally, we or people in their 20s now are supposed to be lazier and feel more entitlement. I can't say I disagree with that from what I see around me. There could be some theory to say that with the increase in globalisation, we have to work more to keep pace with the hungrier more industrious emerging economies, but I just think that even compared to a decade ago, what people expect compared to what they are prepared to work or sacrifice is that much greater. Plus people place more importance or value on "status" related luxuries. People my age or younger would be far more likely to p!ss £300 a month i.e. a very healthy slice of disposable in anyone's money on a new Audi on the drip, whereas in the same position those of our parents generation would save the money.
By the same token, people are cottoning onto the fact that, unless you are on minimum wage, it is more financially efficient to, say, work for an extra hour a week and pay someone to clean your house for 2 hours and be cost neutral. I.e. outsourcing anything but your revenue generation. Not sure how healthy that is mind!!

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I think blaming social media is a little simplistic, sure it is around and you can elect to engage with it at weekends, but it's no more a distraction than a newspaper or a sloping off to the thunderbox with a rolled copy of the yachting times under our armpits like the sailor dads of yore... No one I know spends their weekends on social media, sat at a desk or on the sofa with a tablet, even if everyone assumes that's what their doing when they post some sh*t to Facebook from the swimming pool sideline or outside the changing rooms in House of Fraser.

The bottom line is we're a generation of parents who don't expect our kids to follow us in what we do. we may introduce them to something like sailing, but if they don't like it, or simply prefer something else, that is what we end up doing with our supporting time. Maybe we should force the issue more, I dunno, sailing is always seen as a selfish pursuit already; making kids do it who aren't fussed seems even worse.

i think Old Timer is absolutely spot on... We need a three day weekend. Simples

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I appreciate that it is simplistic but equally I dare say there are people, particularly but not exclusively teens who spend literally hour upon hour on social media. Accept that there are and always have been ways to waste time, not all of them bad.
here here to the 3 day weekend trouble is that capitalism means that some bright spark will work 5 days a week and "get ahead."
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All that said having eschewed the social media mire I seem to be f&cked now if I want to buy a used 275 combi pre the ridiculous EU changes. Nice topical thread link I think you'll agree. I blame the creators of the dinghy and dinghy bits for sale page.
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Insert five letter word (plural) of your choice Daniel

The same kids were on megadrives when we were kids mate, and let's not even start on the spoddyt**ts that used to take PCs to each other's parents houses and play 'network' Doom... At least the internet means they're now all locked behind their bedroom doors using fibre connections for CoD and ladyboy porn.
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Originally posted by Dougaldog


BUt - thinking aloud here....Flying 15? That cannot be the answer, launched by car or not. Although people from the 15 fleet will start leaping up and down in indignation, this is not a fleet that is showing rapid development or expansion. Weight...with or without a car - is not the way forward for dinghy sailing.

(The Contender) hull could do with a Supernova like 20% weight reduction. So 30 years or more ago I was helping a well known builder of contenders when he was making a boat for a World Champion hopeful - even with the maximum amount of correctors the boat was still significantly underweight! We ended up pouring resin in under the cockpit floor to bring the boat up to the measurement weight. 
Does it make sense, as I said in the article, to be building boats at one weight when they could easily be lighter - or worse, building them and then making them heavy again.

If you dropped 20% of the Contender's weight, what would happen to all the existing boats? Don't international classes have to accept that in other countries mixed fleet dinghy racing is (relatively) far less popular than in the UK and distances to open meetings are often greater, which means that class stability is far more important than in the UK?  As an example, the Flying 15 fleet where I used to live went from having five fleets and the world champion to having zero boats, because the old boats were made obsolete when the Windybank shape was allowed in (against the accepted rules).  The International classes may have to accept that there is a different attitude in the UK to that seen in many other countries.

Speaking of FFs, isn't the comparison between Squib and FF an example where the class that has stayed more stable (the Squib) is now more popular than the class that has developed?  Looking at small-craft sailing as a whole, and the number of competing sailors, it would appear that the more static OD dinghy scene has performed better over the last few decades than the cats and boards, where more development has occurred and where more classes have therefore died. 

One also wonders where we stop when modifying designs.  Sure, the Contender could be lighter.  It could also be narrower on the waterline, carry a more modern rig, and hey why not racks and foils? Where does one draw the line?  Is it better to make 2000 boats obsolete, or to go and make a completely new class for the same niche, perhaps with some integration into the old class?  

Sure, weight is an issue in some ways - but the ease at which some cat sailors move their heavy boats using balloon-tyre wheels with good bearings seems to indicate that dinghy sailors could perhaps look at improving their accessories rather than making thousands of boats effectively obsolete.

It's also interesting to compare the dinghy sailor's attitude towards physical strain and exertion to the attitude of other sportspeople.  In cycling (which has already been brought up) it is accepted that working hard is an inherent part of the sport, and part of the reason for doing the sport.  In dinghy sailing there still seems to be a certain amount of the attitude that we shouldn't have to exert effort, whether it is in hiking or moving boats.  Given that a huge amount of the reason that people do sports is for exercise and fitness, perhaps we as a sport are getting it wrong, and when people say "it's hard to move that boat" we should point out that weight bearing intensive exercise is an excellent remedy for ageing bodies? 



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