SNT Sailjuice

   Jeez, I just wouldn't travel 100s of miles for this sort of thing. Admire the resolve of those that do, but this isn't sport as far as I'm concerned. A lottery of who's got the right ratings, the right course, and the right boat, on the right day. I can get this at my home club any weekend of the year for a microcosm of the cost! In fact, I think we just, for once, just this once, blew off Endeavour Trophy 2nd place today. Just maybe. Travelled 9 miles, and a few beers for me partner to do that.

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Jeepers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 26 May 11 Location: Hamphire Online Status: Offline Posts: 147	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeepers Report Post Quote Reply Topic: SNT Sailjuice Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 10:31pm
	Jeez, I just wouldn't travel 100s of miles for this sort of thing. Admire the resolve of those that do, but this isn't sport as far as I'm concerned. A lottery of who's got the right ratings, the right course, and the right boat, on the right day. I can get this at my home club any weekend of the year for a microcosm of the cost! In fact, I think we just, for once, just this once, blew off Endeavour Trophy 2nd place today. Just maybe. Travelled 9 miles, and a few beers for me partner to do that.

Null Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745	Post Options Post Reply Quote Null Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 10:12pm
	dan the upwind leg was pretty minimal mate! I beat nick Craig and Charlie Cumbley on the water in First I think finished next door to Jim Hunt, so they will of slapped me on PY. Second race, not sure what happened, but I went from being about 10th round windward mark to last zero by leeward mark thanks to huge rafting issues and wind holes. All my fault, obviously but a little frustrating as the pack was so tight with such a tiny mainly reaching course that it was inevitable. I wouldn't want to take away from the event as I love it, and the club. But I was a little frustrated in myself and how things panned out. I think most would agree the ok handicap is a little harsh Jon, no one is ever really going to argue that. However is that not for a py thread?? Or maybe for the ok owners to moan about, because where I am sat they all look pretty happy. One of my best mates races and Ok, he is a very good sailor I beleive his personal handicap in his ok is something like 120 points off that of the standard py. Not bad for a boat with an obvious handicapped, handicap. Or maybe it isn't so bad across a range of conditions?

Jon Meadowcroft Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 26 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jon Meadowcroft Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:56pm
	don't look at the OK handicap over this meeting look at it over a longer time frame of these type of events. It does not work, either on handicap or pursuit. Great sailors who win regularly in other classes fail to win in the OK even though they have sailed them for years. QED. Overall pretty irrelevant to OK sailors who still get good sailing with each other. However there is a load of moaning about other boats which are apparently 1% or so wrong!

Daniel Holman Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997	Post Options Post Reply Quote Daniel Holman Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:53pm
	Did you own Nick Craig then Russ?

Daniel Holman Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997	Post Options Post Reply Quote Daniel Holman Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:52pm
	Yep being slowest in a dense fleet is tough. But they should be up with lasers upwind I believe, losing out a little offwind

Null Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745	Post Options Post Reply Quote Null Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:42pm
	I would say it's going to be hard to judge the ok handicap without seeing how they ended up in the results. Also it's important to rememebr they were one of the slower boats in the single handed fleet and with the low mast height they get punished off the line by boats with more horse power. They also don't seem to plane like other dinghies. So they really struggled on courses that's were basically a reach run reach with a very, very small beat.

Simon Lovesey Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 30 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349	Post Options Post Reply Quote Simon Lovesey Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:42pm
	This year the clubs have found results a challenge, mainly on lap counting and the bigger fleets. There doesn't seem to be a standard way of recording, each club does it differently, we are looking at standardisation going forward. Still waiting on results
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Daniel Holman Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997	Post Options Post Reply Quote Daniel Holman Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:39pm
	OK handicap is reputedly nasty(results notwithstanding) . Some of the great and good of s/h sailing in them at the mo, so if they aren't at the very sharp end of mixed h/cap at least in light to moderate then it would indicate a dodgy handicap

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:35pm
	OK handicap too nasty?
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Jon Meadowcroft Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 26 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jon Meadowcroft Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:26pm
	As ever a great welcome from Northampton SC. I always try to do this event and to remember Steve who was taken too soon. Onto the sailing, I cant find any results either. Seems very odd that despite all the technology that is being thrown at this and other events results seem to be hard to come by. I'm sailing with my son, the goal is having fun, but finding out where you finished is part of that. This needs to be fixed for future events. It seems to be a new problem as I remember results being available in the past. Also sad to see so many singlehanders being sailed by blokes. Sadly double handed sailing seems to be in major decline. What that seems to mean is fewer women sailing which is a loss. Mixing doublehanders and assymetrics (including those sailed singlehandedly?) was not an ideal solution to the fleet size problem and I hope that is not repeated. I think a better separation would be fast / medium and slow. I certainly don't want to sail around with musto skiffs that can't keep a proper look out Most memorable things of the day? 1 - The singlehanded mirror coming third in the doublehanders... 2 - The musto skiff sailing in a different class to the contender... 3 - The musto skiff whose leeward wing hooked a scorpion crew and then capsized them - I missed this, heard it in the bar afterwards 4 - The mid-fleet 49er trying to nip in on the port lay line at the first windward mark with inevitable consequences 5 - The handicap of the OK, which must be wrong in comparison to all the other singlehanders Finally for winter events maybe we should do more pursuit races? It is more obvious who has won and saves all the number crunching faffing that must be going on.