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    Posted: 22 May 13 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by GybeFunny

What about getting some smaller sails for the Alto made? Or is that too simple an idea? You may even find that a mainsail from another boat will fit.


Far too simple GF! How would we get a long, long thread out of that idea? All GRF would have to do is do it...

It would make a lot of sense, though. Might even make a nicer boat, seeing as the modern trend seems to be to bung up as much sail as possible and then add a bit.
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Originally posted by GybeFunny

What about getting some smaller sails for the Alto made? Or is that too simple an idea? You may even find that a mainsail from another boat will fit.

I do have a smaller main, used it on Sunday, but still we went over when broadsided by a lifting gust, we've also been beaten every week so far by my old RS500 (it's had a handicap boost along with the L3k which is now also beating us on smaller courses)not normally over the water but close enough to irritate.
The thing that we are finding very annoying with the Alto, even though we went over, it was a dry capsize until we got back in the boat, it quite literally fills to the gunwales and takes forever to empty (particularly since we'd taped the back balers shut).
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If you both do a dry capsize then ANY boat will take on loads of water as the boat will float lower on its side due to 2 people standing on the centreboard and hence will scoop up loads more water, you should push your crew off into the water to make the boat float higher while you right it.
In my Oppie days we were told to jump off the centreboard and right the boat from the water so it scooped up less water (the Oppie ia dreadful for how much water it ships and obviously it isnt quick enough for a self bailer so you have to manually get rid of all the water!).
Maybe a smaller pinhead main with even less sail area up top will help you, what about a Scorpion mainsail?
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Just sort the transom flaps.
Even Merlins drain very quickly in enough breeze to capsize.
 
There is a lack of joined-up logic in worrying about being beaten by Rs500's on PY then contemplating building a boat that has no PY.
 
I can see no justification for the RS500 having a higher PY than the RS400.
 
But if the issue is creating a boat that's pleasant to race and sod the results on PY, then I understand that mindset.
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Originally posted by RS400atC


But if the issue is creating a boat that's pleasant to race and sod the results on PY, then I understand that mindset.


That's the mindset, if I wanted to win then it's back to the L3k, or slog along the back in a Miracle, I like to be in the mix with a chance if it's breezy and out front in clean air if it's light to medium. But most important now I know what good manners are in a boat, I kind of want that as well, but you know, I'd just love a boat with everything on it, you'd think by now there would be something wouldn't you, but no, every mothermolesting one of them is flawed in one way or another..
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Graham if your in the market for an old fireball hull, there's one at downs that's abandoned that you could offer a few pounds to the rnli.

On another note the I14 that's for sale at downs is up for a 'few hundred quid" said the owner. You could use the rig from that will be perfect for the vtwin.

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What colour is it?
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Fireball is pretty trashed but pale blue..

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Fireballs appear to use a pretty much deck-sweeping jib. These are, to my understanding, more efficient upwind (something about end plates). If you installed an Alto-style bowsprit you move the tack of the jib up considerably. This would leave the foot well above the deck, and badly alter jib sheeting angles .

The assy scows use a fixed pole, mounted of centre line but presumably with the spinnaker tack on the centre line when fully extended- and thus they need to be fairly beefy and well mounted. Pictures I've seen show the pole extending from the foredeck, near the bow (which does look odd).
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I'd kind of thought about punching the swinging pole out under the deck through the nose, the fireball nose was kind of the inspiration of the V twin nose, except they couldn't do it, not sure why now.
It's true my Alto style bow and lower jib is messy, I kind of screwed that up, I'd do that differently now, definitely run the forestay above or behind the spinnaker ejection point and it would be super nice to have a deck sweeping jib, know all about end plate effect, pretty mandatory on race boards going up wind.

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