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    Posted: 06 Nov 19 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Just been reading the Laser Forum and ILCA intend to charge new Laser builders an up front royalty payment of $100,000 annually to new builders! Can't see that having legs........

A lot of what's being posted is complete and utter nonsense. There's a phenomenal amount of disinformation going on.

Certain frequent posters on the SA website and the blog optimist-openbic-sailing.blogspot.com/ seem to have a number of interpretations of events that I suggest should be very carefully considered.

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It says everything about this forum . Big problems in the world largest class which have been going on for about nine month and we start talking about in now. 
We even missed their vote to change their class rules, never mind the their possible name change in territory’s controlled by LPE . Or even the effect of WS Frand policy on the class and its builders.
No we were all happy in our own little world , talking tosh about yardsticks and the lee bow effect. Unhappy 



This topic has come up several times before. It goes around in circles for a while because no one actually knows what is fact and what is fiction, then we get bored with discussing how much the lawyers must be making and go back to subjects where we are making things up instead.
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Lots of interesting arguments and information 

Interesting that the photo has the Laser Insignia on the sail, clearly they aren’t doing anything illegal, design register ran out years ago. Morally they should do something to prevent the laser race being passed off as a laser. Clearly they can’t continue the Laser numbers, so starting numbers again, perhaps with a prefix LR would be a way to go.

A fantastic opportunity to get competitive boat at know down price, interesting to see where the residuals end up.

Good opportunity for the beach club holiday companies to renew their fleets

With a new carbon rig, at a similar discount, and there soon could be four full lasers to choose from. 
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LPE have the trademark for the Laser sail logo in Europe and the Americas, and they've used it on other classes, there's no doubt they can use it on their new club Laser class. Where it all gets messy is that there are contract clauses about what they are required to do if they give up being or are terminated as an official Laser builder, but those contracts seem to be entangled in US legal hell, so are effectively unenforceable, at least in the short to medium term.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Seriously though, if you only sail at club and regional level then it's a great deal and nothing illegal or immoral about buying and racing one (unlike buying a replica sail for example).

I think UKLA would disagree with you. Turn up at a CA sanctioned event, tell them you have a club Laser and I am pretty sure you would be invited to leave.
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I guess the difference in boat lengths quoted on that site is a typo, not reality, this club Laser isn't shorter than the international Laser. One says 13'.8", the other Ex Display Laser XD 15'4"

Then I note for only 1750 you can add the carbon Laser Arc rig, so for £5745 I could get my fully battened radial Arc rigged Club Laser and have a ball at that Great Lakes series...

What's the handicap again?

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Originally posted by iGRF

I guess the difference in boat lengths quoted on that site is a typo, not reality, this club Laser isn't shorter than the international Laser. One says 13'.8", the other Ex Display Laser XD 15'4"

Then I note for only 1750 you can add the carbon Laser Arc rig, so for £5745 I could get my fully battened radial Arc rigged Club Laser and have a ball at that Great Lakes series...

What's the handicap again?

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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Seriously though, if you only sail at club and regional level then it's a great deal and nothing illegal or immoral about buying and racing one (unlike buying a replica sail for example).

I think UKLA would disagree with you. Turn up at a CA sanctioned event, tell them you have a club Laser and I am pretty sure you would be invited to leave.

Yes they would but their event, their rules. There's still nothing to suggest that a 'Club Laser' is anything other than legit, it just isn't an ILCA dinghy. I'd be interested to see what the Great Lakes organisers take is.


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