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    Posted: 22 Aug 17 at 11:30pm
I've actually got a magic marine one that is longer and too big for me. I think I was alluding to sailing gear in general. Its all aimed at those lithe young things. 

I had a red Musto bubble sausage one for years. Very comfortable and never rode up. Didn't realise how many of the pockets had burst by the time I ditched it. Then had the over-sized magic marine one until that came off over my head at the 2006 Phantom nats at Lyme and I went back to it for the last 2 days. Then got a nice free Crewsaver one. Still rides up but  is generally ok. Got a nice Phantom emblem on the back too. Looks great sailing the Finn  Big smile
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Many years ago I took all the foam out of the back of my BA to stop it snagging on the Kicker
(note its kicker not vang nasty American word) on a 505 when tacking facing aft.
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Interestingly, it's from Dutch "vangen" (to catch) and was originally a line from the peak of a gaff to the mast or elsewhere to stabilise it (Gaff rigs are still very common in the Netherlands). No idea why the Americans then used it instead of kicker.

Of course, the German term is far more descriptive: "Baumniederholer" (boom down hauler).  Smile
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

... 18's don't allow BA's. Why? So they can get out of a harness if entrapped (swim down and out)..

They don't allow them or they don't mandate them?  Back when I sailed 18s I wore a BA on the grounds that the chances of me being injured and unable to swim far outweighed the chances of me being trapped underwater.  I still stand by that.  But then I'm not an Antipodean macho man.  To me it's all echoes of the old 'safer to not to wear a seat belt so that you're thrown clear' argument.
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Originally posted by Eisvogel

Interestingly, it's from Dutch "vangen" (to catch) and was originally a line from the peak of a gaff to the mast or elsewhere to stabilise it (Gaff rigs are still very common in the Netherlands). No idea why the Americans then used it instead of kicker.

Of course, the German term is far more descriptive: "Baumniederholer" (boom down hauler).  Smile

New York - (New Amsterdam) was a Dutch colony... I guess this will have influence on language etc...
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Originally posted by MikeBz

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

... 18's don't allow BA's. Why? So they can get out of a harness if entrapped (swim down and out)..

They don't allow them or they don't mandate them?  Back when I sailed 18s I wore a BA on the grounds that the chances of me being injured and unable to swim far outweighed the chances of me being trapped underwater.  I still stand by that.  But then I'm not an Antipodean macho man.  To me it's all echoes of the old 'safer to not to wear a seat belt so that you're thrown clear' argument.

OK I was paraphrasing - allow / don't mandate. I'll go with the Sydney 18 footers league skippers view of things.

For instance this article paints a picture of the situations where getting out of your kit is of the highest priority:
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While it is natural to focus on the hook & harness getting caught I wonder if this is borne out in terms of frequency compared to other tangles. After all the hook is a very simple thing, open ended, smooth and instinctively accessible. Tangles behind you are much more confusing and a simple half hitch of sheet could be a real problem around anywhere especially a lower limb where it is difficult to reach. 
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