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Jamie600 
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 Topic: Monday Laser RantPosted: 03 Dec 16 at 9:43am |
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Exactly.
Even with all it's faults, there is an awful lot to be said for fleet racing.
I'm even considering switching for that reason. At my new club, I'm enjoying sailing my Solution, which is a much nicer boat to sail, on level terms with the Lasers in the slow handicap.
However, next year the fleets will be rearranged and the Lasers will have their own start, and I will be in the menagerie covering everything from Toppers upwards.
I think I'll find it hard to watch a large Laser fleet battling round while I trudge round on my own, and am genuinely thinking of getting a 'worse' boat purely for the sake of better racing, thus perpetuating the hold Lasers have, as I really can't see the existing Laser fleet switching en masse to Solutions any time soon.
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Emilio Castelli
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Posted: 03 Dec 16 at 6:43pm |
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Can't seem to find any better boat for the money.... E
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Rupert
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Posted: 03 Dec 16 at 6:54pm |
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Should have looked harder... |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 03 Dec 16 at 8:13pm |
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I have....... And, incidentally, the Solo fleet matches the Lasers.......
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Late starter
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Posted: 03 Dec 16 at 9:49pm |
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While I wouldn't contemplate £5k for a new one, I can't think of a more competitive club racer for, say £1k, than an oldie but goody Laser.
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PeterG
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Posted: 03 Dec 16 at 10:04pm |
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It also depends on what you regard as making a "good boat". People will have different views about what matters, What matters to me and many others, probably above all else, is the quality and availability of good fleet racing. If I can race like for like with a decent number of like minded others that's what I'm looking for. Issues about rudders, 60's designs, no halyard or whatever really don't matter much against that for me. Clearly there are many here who are happy to put up with the irritations of handicap racing and worry much more about the details of the boat, but I suspect that it will be a very long time before any other class can offer the depth of class racing around the country at around the £1000 mark. We will have lots more rants in the meantime, but people will go on buying cheap lasers and enjoying sailing them against others all round the country for a very long time yet.
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Peter
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 03 Dec 16 at 10:28pm |
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And nowt wrong with that, the different alternatives are one of the things than make sailing such a great sport.
In my case though, last year I was looking to buy a singlehander and had a sail in a borrowed Laser, I'm very glad I didn't just go ahead and buy one as my brief sail reminded me why I sold the last one and took up windsurfing instead..... Interestingly the Solo is the only other boat with 5 figure race numbers in the 2016 PY returns (Laser's 21k to 13k for the Solo, add in 4.7 and Radial and the Laser Std family has around 30k). Nothing else gets much over 5k (only Phantom at 5.5k). But there are lots of boats which offer great fleet racing at a local level, if I was that keen on fleet racing I'd chose a club that sailed a boat I enjoyed sailing.
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getafix
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Posted: 04 Dec 16 at 1:23pm |
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oh, you know, the half dozen alternatives already listed in this thread with <better> sorted foils, better <actually adjustable> rigs, lighter hulls, more modern materials, nicer longer-lasting sails... that kind of stuff  |
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jeffers
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Posted: 04 Dec 16 at 1:53pm |
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Better boats almost certainly but in terms of one design racing you are unlikely to beat the Laser. There are those of us who had enough though and are trying (and enjoying) something different. Were is not for the D-Zero I would have stopped sailing by now (aside from taking my kids out).
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PeterG
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Posted: 04 Dec 16 at 7:09pm |
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I know you read the rest of my post getafix - so you know exactly what I meant. For some people, you clearly, your list is most important. For lots of others you miss out the most important factor of them all. I recognise that different people have different views on what makes a good boat - you apparently don't.
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Peter
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