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    Posted: 28 Mar 16 at 9:00pm
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Esp as you have to be pretty confident to press go on alu tooling.

Oh gosh yes, hadn't occurred to me, because they're not materials I have to think about, but grief, you're stuffed for a prototype. OK you can build a sailing mockup that's superficially the same for handling, but how do you test the engineering? How readily can the tooling be changed if you discover a problem? I'm not at all familiar with this technology. Can the tooling be sliced about, welded and refinished, albeit at hideous expense, or is that not feasible?


Issues can be rectified in Alu tooling but its not cheap! Basically yes Rupert, experts are involved, Mr Truswell being an expert of around a decade in setting up production for a variety of roto moulds since back in laser days. There are rules to follow and tricks of the trade.The expert will interrogate the models at the design stage, and there are plenty of tricks in use of heat, cooling, release, cooling jigs etc. You can get away with  more in the smaller boats but 16ft or so is the practical limit.
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Individuals like Jo Richards are still around, he did the Aero and a whole portfolio of other stuff, especially 12s.

Sad news about Ian though.
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Oh, yep, Rupert, there are great designers out there now.  But people of the Holt/Moore/Haylock type and then the Bruce/Alter/Drake/Rod Johnstone type - the ones who created/promoted craft that were new genres that could open up the sport to a wider market - seem to be missing.  Maybe RS' principles are the closest we have.  




great names, I would add Morrison, Howlett and Richards in more recent times as designers who have successfully designed both SMOD and development boats, I'm sure there would be others abroad, but no idea
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Sad to say that so far I've not had much in the way of response to some ideas floated out to various magazines for a wide reaching obit. I've got my archive here warmed up and ready to go, but am just got getting any "can you do...." requests.
Just as an FYI - already well advanced, so...for publication later this summer, is something for you to get your teeth into! A look at the relationship between the designer and the 'raison d'etre' for the existence of the boat. Elsewhere, another well known and subscribed to forum has been running a thread on the 'your worstest ever dinghy' - I think the thread kicked off with the Skipper 14 and 12. Now these are Peter Milne designs - the same Peter Milne who gave us the Fireball, Javelin, m14 and some very innovative tunnel scow moths (amongst many others). But the Skipper 14?????? It just goes to show how the demands of the 'customer' can be a major determinant in what you end up with. Have a few others pieces to go first (maybe another on PYs....) and then this one will be published on this site.
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Originally posted by Dougaldog

Elsewhere, another well known and subscribed to forum has been running a thread on the 'your worstest ever dinghy'

Hint? Where's that? 
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Originally posted by Dougaldog

Elsewhere, another well known and subscribed to forum has been running a thread on the 'your worstest ever dinghy'

Hint? Where's that? 
Google didn't work very well on that cryptic clue either. ;)
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Facebook, 'sailing jihad' sort of 'secret invite only group' which means if anyone on there knows you they can invite you on, with the premise you don't get upset with banter and ribaldry and swear never to sue or threaten to sue any of the participants, if I knew who you were I could ask you, but I know very few folk who sail and are on facebook at friend level, but the usual suspects seem to know everyone worth knowing and the trickle down effect has swollen the ranks, but, it is facebook, so you're real which isn't necessarily a place for those of thin skins..
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Skipper 12 & 14, companies that build boats today would kill for sales figures achieved by Richmond Marine,
I believe these were sold in "Blacks" or "Halfords" ?
They still command high second hand values and sell well.
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There were certainly many worse boats than the Skippers about. The main trouble was the fitout was rudimentary: without doubt modern mass market boats are much better. They attracted the same sort of opprobium from the snob element that rotomoulds do today.
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They are the boat I dread most seeing being rigged on the public slipway along the road on a day when you know it could be blowing sw f5 to 6 by the time they try to come back from the isle of wight.
Old fireballs are a favorite for accidents waiting to happen as well.
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