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    Posted: 08 Sep 14 at 3:22pm
It's difficult for me to tell, even though I can do it a bit better now, I still haven't committed to the Charisma By Pass Surgery required to be really good.
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I think you need JimC to recount his tales of the dinghy show manning 'cool boat' stands- talk to folks for ages, enthuse them about different types of dinghies and sailing opportunities out there; then watch them walk over to the Laser stand and write a cheque for a new boat.....  if RS aren't advertising in Y&Y, then there's good reason and they must perceive it lacks the ROI.  

I guess sponsoring Sailing Anarchy is different....   when was the last time you read one of their dinghy reviews?  It's just crowd-sourced content.....  and a good sh*t fight.


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Originally posted by kneewrecker


  when was the last time you read one of their dinghy reviews?  It's just crowd-sourced content.....  and a good sh*t fight.


Der never? Didn't even know they did dinghy reviews, 1) They're dicks, 2) Mostly they're yank dicks which means dickness cubed, 3) Convicts go there and it smells.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by kneewrecker


  when was the last time you read one of their dinghy reviews?  It's just crowd-sourced content.....  and a good sh*t fight.


Der never? Didn't even know they did dinghy reviews, 1) They're dicks, 2) Mostly they're yank dicks which means dickness cubed, 3) Convicts go there and it smells.

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So are you suggesting that the RS Aero - a thread was started on their by their Editor - is aimed at dicks?  
That's a little harsh....  even for the arsey choccy bar dinghy.  
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I did find this just now whilst looking for anything interesting to read about sailing boats There wasn't much else..

PS they'll print anything if you pay them, check out the Weta thing.

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Graeme - yep, sure did! Better still, sailed some of them in a variety of locations including the Med and Garda. Worth noting that whilst at Garda, I broke the D-one sailing it in stupidly windy conditions. All credit to devoti, for having fired bits of Harken and carbon across the lake, they said straight out "need to make it stronger" which they then went and did. Good plan guys, let an arse loose on the boat, if it comes back in one piece then the rest of you should be okay. On the subject of arse (holes) I was also once around for an SA boat test, I really don't think you'd like how they did it; Tom Gruitt in Y&Y is a damn sight more objective and honest about his views than that one 'reviewer' (I'll use the term here with care) could ever be.

Null - my particular aspect on this was to do with boats for the 'bigger boys'. I'm not talking about the 'obesity' issue but it is a plain fact that we're getting bigger (the debate elsewhere on the Cadet sums this issue up very well).

But back then, when boats like the RS100 and D-One were pretty much ground breaking, it was, to me at least, worth looking 'outside the box' at the options. For the Club sailor who maybe gets half a Sunday and a Wed. night in the summer, plus the odd extra 'day' out afloat, the HALO ticked so many boxes. You don't need a kite to scare yourself sh*tless if you have that damn great powerful mainsail up there. Reaching in it gave you an adrenalin boost like sailing an RS 600!

Now at the time, if you recall, the price tag on the D-One could make the eyes water, yet this was also at a time when slowly but surely the whole world seemed to be doing down the pan. So the option of buying a Blaze - a second hand boat probably, then sticking the Halo rig on it, gave the performance of a sub 1000 py at a fraction of the cost. I think that including the Halo in the comparison test gave the readers at the time far more of an insight into the options than just focusing on the other two boats.

No matter, 'tis all history now, but it was fun at the time!

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Originally posted by iGRF

It's difficult for me to tell, even though I can do it a bit better now, I still haven't committed to the Charisma By Pass Surgery required to be really good.

seriously though, would you really want to go to one of those soulless winter sailing events and have this woman trying to sell you something spur of the moment?  

No I thought not... it's time for a limp bacon sandwich, a cup of she-ite instant coffee from the 'urn' and a bloody good whinge about the RYA ruining 'your' handicap, or some sodding sailmaker's jockey riding a lipstick class 'pushing the spirit of the rules'.
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That 'woman' looks uncomfortably like my niece.

She SUP races as well, but I'm sure she rides for Naish.
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It is so easy to be partisan on any forum so I’ll try and keep it mostly factual !

Approx 30 of the original rigs sold (remember the Halo sail/rig were an option rig on the Blaze).  It was primarily targeted at the larger helm.    I think Dinghy magazine wanted something of a contrast to compare the D1 and 100 against.  The surprise to us at least was how much they liked the Halo version of the Blaze ... and we had thought we were just there to make up the numbers !   It was not a major development for us really but we subsequently sold about 30 of the rigs but we had also made a rod for our own backs in the design concept.   

The issue was that nearly every owner also sailed in Blaze mode when racing on the circuit, and it did not matter if they were new to the class or existing.  Not a bad thing in itself ... the real problem was that you needed a complete (longer) second mast for the sail and this obviously limited demand after the initial flurry of purchases for what most saw as an ‘option’ sail.  Later when the Blaze class approved the carbon mast development it further inhibited demand as very few indeed could ever justify having two carbon masts.     

 A year ago some of the pioneer Halo owners looked at this issue with us and ... to cut a long story short we re-worked the sail with input from Charlie C. of North.   Many iterations later and the resulting Halo sail is very slightly smaller than the original Halo (11.5m) and is now fully battened.  Critically it can now be set on ANY standard set of Blaze spars - alloy or carbon.   It was released as a standard production item just last month along with the smaller 8.8m ‘Fire’ sail.   Even prior to release we started receiving orders from both existing (Blaze/Halo) owners and to go with new boats.  

Blaze hulls / spars can now be used with three sizes of sail – Fire (8.8m), STANDARD Blaze (10.4m) and Halo (11.5m).  Each are primarily aimed at particular user groups, most of who will still also have a Blaze sail.

Perhaps Dougal would like another go? .... we are already talking about a test day for ‘Fire’ with Y&Y but perhaps he’d like to revisit Halo sometimel.   I’m absolutely sure it will not be to everyone’s taste and not be practical for all anyway  (it really does help to be on the larger side with Halo) but if you have the required attributes and approach it is a hell of a lot of fun.  Is it worth a try ?  What have you got to lose ?      

Mike L.

(Here is an original Halo ...)

 


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