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carshalton fc ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 2337 |
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i dont know cos it does have a keel but also has a massive spinni and loads of trapezes!! |
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stuarthop ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 22 Dec 04 Location: Nottingham Online Status: Offline Posts: 1040 |
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they dont have keels do they i thought they had daggerboards. Correct me if i'm wrong
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carshalton fc ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 2337 |
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i am not sure ether
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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UK Cherubs have been timed at that speed some 10 years ago. And that's the small rig. I would expect a 12 footer would be faster. Although more sail area doesn't equate to more speed. The new UK Cherub rig is about the same size as a 12 foot skiff No3 rig. Which they use in over 15 knots, I think. If Jimmy Walsh is out there I'm sure he will let us know. |
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fergus h ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Apr 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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might have a keel, i dont know, but does that automatically make it not a skiff? that sort of goes back to the 'definition of a skiff' discussion that every one keeps talking about.
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ioanlavery ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 04 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 100 |
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just been trawling through some old photos of when the Ultra30 fleet visited Cardiff. I have some pics with the boats on their trailers. Definately have dagger boards cos on they're trailers they sit no higher than the roof of a Landrover etc
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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More sail area doesn't equate to more speed - in fact its the opposite. Once the sail has to be flogged you go considerably slower and you go a little bit slower if you have have part of the sail backwinded. The ideal is a rig which is just big enough to keep you fully extended - at that wind speed and angle. I believe ice yachts are an example, for maximum speed the rigs are too small to give any acceleration at low speed so the pilot has to get out and push. Once going the apparent wind increases and there is enough to accelerate the boat to higher speed which in turn increases the apparent wind even further and so until they are overpowered and they have to ease, at which point they are at maximum speed. You know the record is around 150mph! This is one of the reasons the Laser4000 is so fast, it has a modest sail area (if you can call 31 sq m modest) and so can be thrashed in a 25knot breeze. Edited by redback |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Didn't the Ultra's have a retractable keel? (remember, loads of guys had to stand on them when things went wrong). I reckon an 18 would be quicker than an Ultra 30 just due to the weight to sail area ratio. The 30s hull wouldn't unstick as much and as well as an 18s. The drag factor on a 30 would be much higher, so can't see them producing as much overall positive lift neither.
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carshalton fc ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 2337 |
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yer! i havent seen any pictures of an ultra jumping out of the water or nosediving!!
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Chunky ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
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The Ultra 30's did have a daggerboard but it did take 4 of us to lift it. Awesome skiff thats for sure, shame they died out because of the Olympic coverage. Edited by Chunky |
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I clocked 21knots last night :o) |
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