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    Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 1:02pm

i dont know cos it does have a keel but also has a massive spinni and loads of trapezes!!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote stuarthop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 8:16pm
they dont have keels do they i thought they had daggerboards. Correct me if i'm wrong

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Post Options Post Options   Quote carshalton fc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 9:25pm
i am not sure ether   but i would have though a boat that big might have a keel for stabillity!!
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Originally posted by Mike278



though not sailed in the UK, a 12ft Skiff, which have been timed at up to
25 knots


UK Cherubs have been timed at that speed some 10 years ago. And that's
the small rig. I would expect a 12 footer would be faster. Although more
sail area doesn't equate to more speed. The new UK Cherub rig is about
the same size as a 12 foot skiff No3 rig. Which they use in over 15 knots,
I think. If Jimmy Walsh is out there I'm sure he will let us know.
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might have a keel, i dont know, but does that automatically make it not a skiff? that sort of goes back to the 'definition of a skiff' discussion that every one keeps talking about.  
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just been trawling through some old photos of when the Ultra30 fleet visited Cardiff.  I have some pics with the boats on their trailers.  Definately have dagger boards cos on they're trailers they sit no higher than the roof of a Landrover etc
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 05 at 10:32pm

More sail area doesn't equate to more speed - in fact its the opposite.  Once the sail has to be flogged you go considerably slower and you go a little bit slower if you have have part of the sail backwinded.  The ideal is a rig which is just big enough to keep you fully extended - at that wind speed and angle.

I believe ice yachts are an example, for maximum speed the rigs are too small to give any acceleration at low speed so the pilot has to get out and push.  Once going the apparent wind increases and there is enough to accelerate the boat to higher speed which in turn increases the apparent wind even further and so until they are overpowered and they have to ease, at which point they are at maximum speed.  You know the record is around 150mph!

This is one of the reasons the Laser4000 is so fast, it has a modest sail area (if you can call 31 sq m modest) and so can be thrashed in a 25knot breeze.



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Didn't the Ultra's have a retractable keel? (remember, loads of guys had to stand on them when things went wrong). I reckon an 18 would be quicker than an Ultra 30 just due to the weight to sail area ratio. The 30s hull wouldn't unstick as much and as well as an 18s. The drag factor on a 30 would be much higher, so can't see them producing as much overall positive lift neither.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote carshalton fc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 05 at 8:43pm
yer!  i havent seen any pictures of an ultra jumping out of the water or nosediving!!   would be good to se tho!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chunky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 05 at 10:37am

The Ultra 30's did have a daggerboard but it did take 4 of us to lift it.

Awesome skiff thats for sure, shame they died out because of the Olympic coverage.



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