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    Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 7:35pm

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 Typical build budgets are less than a hundred pounds.
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...not including rig. Hulls can easily be built for than when you realise they are smaller than an optimist.
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Not if you build them out of decent materials they can't.
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Decent materials like pre-preg carbon? no, your right... you wont build one for less than £100

Perfectly suitable materials for something that will likely be chopped up and modified repeately? easy.

Bearing in mind theres a good chance all the first generation designs will suck... (none of the standard hull design principles really apply in a boat focused entirely on trying to plane as soon as possible or wallow in its tiny LOA) all the first hulls are going to be built around short lifespan/low cost untill we figure out some kind of theory on how these things will work
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Please explain what materials you suggest.  eg marine ply? you would need a minimum of two sheets. I can get this trade (6mm) for £40-00 a sheet (plus vat) so you are looking at £94-00 as a starting point. Thats without all the other materials.

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I would like to see one of these boats that has been built for "typically £100". Has one been built for that budget yet?
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On their forum they suggest building one for under £200,not sure if this is manageable but I'd like to see the finished product
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Were looking at about 2 sheets per hull, depending on design yes.
The difference between marine ply and exterior ply comes down to quality and cost. quality isnt of too much importance for a hull that will last a season at most before its rebuilt to test new ideas.

Once we establish whether or not this whole concept is even possible then the designs will stabilise, quality will need to go up and therefore costs will rise (although if it works you will never beat it on a bang-for-buck ratio)
Untill then the entire point of the idea is a) its a cheep testbed for ideas and regular new designs, and b) its going to be a great laugh whatever happens
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There is a very big difference between exterior grade and marine grade plywood, I know this because I am a carpenter. Exterior grade ply is unsuitable for boat building due to the way ity is constructed, not the quality of the finish. 

I may seem very argumentative about this issue but i still fail to see how you are going to build a hull for £100. 

I feel that this is a very misleading statement to make on a website and it cannot be backed up by hard facts. 

Whilst I wish the 6' skiff class well with its projects I really think that your should be able to provide some hard facts and advice to back up your statements.

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We will look at how to reword it to make our position clearer- bearing in mind it was put together pretty much on one evening in a bit of a panic before the sailboat show its not perfect.

I have talked to a number of people who I see as reliable on the subject of ply (including 2 timber merchants an ex-carpenter and a number of hours on google) and they all seemed to believe the only difference is that exterior ply often has voids due to inadequate glueing or simply sections of wood missed out. They were all of the opinion that with some carefull selection (ie not just grabbing the first sheet off the top of the pile) the quality would be close enough to marine ply for it not to make a difference in a short lifespan hull.

Untill we have some boats on the water (early summer hopefully) we cannot 'prove' our claims but I stand by it... if you have any further information however please let us know.
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