low tide
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Topic: low tide
Posted By: mike ellis
Subject: low tide
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 11:48am
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i am sitting at home very bored and not able to go sailing because the tide is out. the boat doesnt need attention and i cant be bothered to do any course work. what do the rest of you do when there is nothing to do and no water? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
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Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 11:59am
go on forums apparently
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Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 12:11pm
| Go and find somewhere where there is some water? |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 12:23pm
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move to somehwere where u can sail at low tide
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 12:29pm
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i think ill have to do coursework, does anyone speak spanish? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 12:44pm
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nein
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 12:57pm
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learn to Juggle ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 1:03pm
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or jiggle
------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 2:31pm
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Move so you can sail inland. Go down and see what work you can do on other peoples boats ... or if theres enough wind, launch your boat and sail on the mud? Watch Blackadder films? Play sailing games? ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 2:36pm
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Fly a Kite ? ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 2:48pm
get a job and stop moaning! ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 3:15pm
i have one day off school, how am i sposed to get a job. kite flyings the best idea yet though. maybe i could learn to kitesurf or windsurf.------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 6:56pm
Get a life
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 6:59pm
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..........and some friends
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 8:03pm
Puedo intentar, que es que quieres? ------------- |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 8:04pm
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See knew there was a reason we sailed at the best inland lake!(great minds etc) Power kiting is great fun (have 4 different ones to play with ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 6:21pm
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quiero help with a mock mock exam. but i have finished it now. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 6:30pm
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Buy a Cherub, then you can modify it all day long!
------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 6:52pm
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ive just found the 6ft site. that looks more fun. and i can build it in the garage. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 7:18pm
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And for those of you who havent had the pleasure yet: www.6ft.flatwater.co.uk - http://www.6ft.flatwater.co.uk - THE SITE IN QUESTION ------------- |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 7:35pm
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From the site Typical build budgets are less than a hundred pounds.
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 7:38pm
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...not including rig. Hulls can easily be built for than when you realise they are smaller than an optimist.
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Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 8:41pm
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Not if you build them out of decent materials they can't. -------------
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 8:53pm
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Decent materials like pre-preg carbon? no, your right... you wont build one for less than £100 Perfectly suitable materials for something that will likely be chopped up and modified repeately? easy. Bearing in mind theres a good chance all the first generation designs will suck... (none of the standard hull design principles really apply in a boat focused entirely on trying to plane as soon as possible or wallow in its tiny LOA) all the first hulls are going to be built around short lifespan/low cost untill we figure out some kind of theory on how these things will work ------------- |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:00pm
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Please explain what materials you suggest. eg marine ply? you would need a minimum of two sheets. I can get this trade (6mm) for £40-00 a sheet (plus vat) so you are looking at £94-00 as a starting point. Thats without all the other materials. -------------
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Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:03pm
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I would like to see one of these boats that has been built for "typically £100". Has one been built for that budget yet? -------------
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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:17pm
On their forum they suggest building one for under £200,not sure if this is manageable but I'd like to see the finished product  ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:23pm
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Were looking at about 2 sheets per hull, depending on design yes. The difference between marine ply and exterior ply comes down to quality and cost. quality isnt of too much importance for a hull that will last a season at most before its rebuilt to test new ideas. Once we establish whether or not this whole concept is even possible then the designs will stabilise, quality will need to go up and therefore costs will rise (although if it works you will never beat it on a bang-for-buck ratio) Untill then the entire point of the idea is a) its a cheep testbed for ideas and regular new designs, and b) its going to be a great laugh whatever happens ------------- |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:51pm
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There is a very big difference between exterior grade and marine grade plywood, I know this because I am a carpenter. Exterior grade ply is unsuitable for boat building due to the way ity is constructed, not the quality of the finish. I may seem very argumentative about this issue but i still fail to see how you are going to build a hull for £100. I feel that this is a very misleading statement to make on a website and it cannot be backed up by hard facts. Whilst I wish the 6' skiff class well with its projects I really think that your should be able to provide some hard facts and advice to back up your statements. -------------
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 11:44am
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We will look at how to reword it to make our position clearer- bearing
in mind it was put together pretty much on one evening in a bit of a
panic before the sailboat show its not perfect. I have talked to a number of people who I see as reliable on the subject of ply (including 2 timber merchants an ex-carpenter and a number of hours on google) and they all seemed to believe the only difference is that exterior ply often has voids due to inadequate glueing or simply sections of wood missed out. They were all of the opinion that with some carefull selection (ie not just grabbing the first sheet off the top of the pile) the quality would be close enough to marine ply for it not to make a difference in a short lifespan hull. Untill we have some boats on the water (early summer hopefully) we cannot 'prove' our claims but I stand by it... if you have any further information however please let us know. ------------- |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 1:46pm
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The problem with exterior grade ply (WBP) over marine ply is that you cannot see the voids, they are not apparent until the sheet is cut. The top veneer is rarely a single sheet on exterior ply, which can also cause problems when cutting for something as accurate as a hull section. If it is a single veneer in order to keep the cost down the internal layers are often poor. Remember that trhe timber merchant wants to sell you what he has in stock. They will have to order in marine ply and their margins on it are small due to the quantities ordered. Several Mirror dinghys have been home built using WBP, you will recognise them as the rotten lumps in the corner of the dinghy park or the ones with bubbles on the ply where it is delaminating. I think that the 6' skiff is an excellent and bold design. I do think however that if you compromise the materials you use, (and I know that you are only going to use a certain design for a short period) you will not be able to properly test a design since it will be unable to take the loads properly. I don't intend to be arguementative on this issue, and I appologise if I appear so I would just hate to see something like this fall at the first hurdle or get a reputation for something that falls apart as soon as it gets going, or that people waste their money on unsuitable materials. -------------
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 5:43pm
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stop hijacking my thread! isis i think you need to start a thread on here devoted to this marvelous idea. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 6:11pm
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1530&PN=1&TPN=1 - LIKE THIS ONE? ------------- |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 7:02pm
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thank you. i forgot about that ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 7:59pm
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"Several Mirror dinghys have been home built using WBP, you will recognise them as the rotten lumps in the corner of the dinghy park or the ones with bubbles on the ply where it is delaminating." Yes, but they have been there many years. I've built 7 1/2 foot canoes from WBP 4 mm ply and they are still going many years later. And I've just bought some 3mm Robbins Elite marine ply for a deck at £20something a sheet, and 3 mm is far more likely to be used. £100 for the hull easy, but fittings, rig etc, unless donated off the dead Mirror, will cost a bomb. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 8:10pm
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A canoe is very different from a high performance skiff. £20-00 a sheet could you please tell me where you got it from. -------------
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Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 8:16pm
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Just found the web site, certainly appears cheap enough! -------------
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 10:13am
Robbins elite ply seems pretty good, but is very pale in colour. For a scary price, you can by stripy Tiger Elite, which is beautiful (great for decks). I'm not sure any of the designs I've seen so far will actually go forwards, let alone put a strain on the ply... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 10:55am
Decent exterior (as opposed to the rubbish at the FIY stores) is plenty good enough. Just don't keep the boat outside in the frost all winter, keep it in the garage. |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 12:12pm
Inspired ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 5:41pm
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there is another thread for this. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 7:26pm
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si hablo español, necessitas ayuda? ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: wetandwindy
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 7:53pm
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back to the subject, put a nosewheel on your trolly and sail to the water. ------------- RULE 99.9 section A: Fast boats with big spinnakers have right of way. |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 14 Mar 06 at 5:24pm
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this sounds worth expanding. land yacht racing on suppermarket trolleys. never mind the 6' skiff this is even better ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
