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    Posted: 30 May 20 at 9:27am
Sargesail: you are right!  I can't find it now but must have been looking at an earlier version of the Gov guidance, though it did say "updated 29 May" at it's head.  

To pick up Mozzy's point, lawyers have been saying for some time that there is a disconnect between what the law actually says and different aspects of Government "guidance" which can go into more detail.  The Government seems to be making new amendments as it goes along to the "Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020." The last set were published on 13 May.  I suppose that is where the latest changes as from 1 June will be enacted.
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I’m not totally sure I would want someone who is racing at Shustoke to then visit or free sail at my club. I know that sounds harsh, but the vibe given is of casual indifference to safeguarding measures.
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Originally posted by A2Z

I’m not totally sure I would want someone who is racing at Shustoke to then visit or free sail at my club. I know that sounds harsh, but the vibe given is of casual indifference to safeguarding measures.

Have you read what they propose to do?

It's hardly casual, and certainly not indifferent. Its quite onerous on whichever volunteers are in charge of the club. I'm not sure i'd like to be a duty officer or flag officer should something go wrong and someone starts asking questions which is why this doesn't alter my view that they have jumped the gun (Me as a huge advocate that we were never truly banned in the first place!).

You have to admire the enthusiasm and the will to solve problems of those in charge. The only thing they really should have done is state that they are closed to new members.
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Really? One person’s casual indifference (from a distance!) is another’s risk managed, appropriate activity.

I do think they’ve jumped the gun...Monday in heats of six was the time to start. But ‘casual indifference’ - no evidence either way.

I’m not sure if the use of safeguarding was a deliberate choice but it does now have a narrow meaning in terms of child/vulnerable adult protection, and is perhaps not quite the right term here.
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Today's announcement is that the 6 meeting up from different households also applies to sport. 

"People from different households exercising together must remain at least two metres apart. Gatherings of more than six people from different households are still not permitted."

Personally I have no issues with what Shustoke are doing, as long as people from different household are 2 m apart, then I see no greater risks than the same number of boats being at the club leisure sailing. 

But, considering you can achieve 95% of what Shustoke have done buy just allowing free sailing and turning a blind eye to informal racing, it seems to be a large reputation risk for little gain at this stage.

It's a pretty grey area of law. As long as you're 2 m apart, does it matter if there are 2,6 or 50 people? Common sense tells you there is a lot of difference between 50 people at a sailing club staying 2 m apart than 50 people in a private garden for a BBQ after a few beers.  

Members of Shustoke would be welcome at HISC. Bit of drive mind you. 
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50 people at a club rigging, launching, sailing, coming ashore is obviously going to stretch the 2m rule more than 6 people.
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Originally posted by Rupert

50 people at a club rigging, launching, sailing, coming ashore is obviously going to stretch the 2m rule more than 6 people.


Or if there is space for 50 people to social distance then limiting it to six gains nothing.

I’m not suggesting that the 6 is wrong or should be changed....just fed up with this sort of flawed logic.

Especially as the 50 could be at the club independently without breaking the 6 person rule.
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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by Rupert

50 people at a club rigging, launching, sailing, coming ashore is obviously going to stretch the 2m rule more than 6 people.


Or if there is space for 50 people to social distance then limiting it to six gains nothing.

I’m not suggesting that the 6 is wrong or should be changed....just fed up with this sort of flawed logic.

Especially as the 50 could be at the club independently without breaking the 6 person rule.

Exactly that.
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