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iGRF 
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 Topic: 20 years laterPosted: 26 Nov 18 at 10:14pm |
We've got 4 down the lake now. |
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By The Lee
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Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 10:36pm |
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80kg is prime laser standard territory
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iGRF
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Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 11:00pm |
The Laser doesn't have a retractable centreboard like the Solution. You can't rake the rig to depower on the fly on a Laser, like you can on a Solution. The Solution is wider than a Laser so has more righting moment for people of 80 kgs. The Solution has a better sail that will last longer than a Laser The Solution has a sail in a track that can be raised and lowered at the dock. The Solution rudder is angled correctly so there is no feeling of weather helm like you get on a Laser The controls on a Solution are better sighted than a Laser. A Solution has more volume (displacement) than a Laser so is less sensitive to salt or fresh water. Is that enough reasons? |
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 11:09pm |
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Spoken like a true Laser sailor
 ........ You are right of course, 80kg is spot on, 5' 10" is probably a little short but a lot closer to the ideal Laser sailor than me. I'm 76kg (so in Radial territory) but only 5' 6" so Lasers are not nice boats for me to sail. I have owned one and sailed several others over the years and took one out a couple of summers ago when I was considering a singlehander again, it was in perfect F3/open water conditions and it took me about a minute and a half to realise, again, it was not the boat for me.Of course, 5' 10" and 80kg is a pretty good height and weight for many other boats too (OK, Solution, Blaze, Supernova, RS100, RS300, Contender, at the light end but still in the range for Finn and Phantom just for a start) so 432zero has a fair bit of choice
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
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IanL
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Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 11:12pm |
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I would add another recommendation for the Hadron H2, it's a seriously nice boat for the, ahem "returning to dinghy sailing after a bit of a break", type of sailor. Has certain advantages over some of the boats recommended earlier.
Mentioning no names, but does not require you to either kneel in the middle on some of the most abrasive non slip produced in the light stuff, or hang over what feels like a scaffold pole if it's breezy in one case, or suck you into a world of individually matched and gobsmackingly expensive unstayed masts, in an other case. And you might not do yourself a mischief pulling a H2 up the slipway - its WAY lighter than the two alluded to above. Secondhand, the class is still quite new, so not cheap as chips, but as H2 says the H2 Facebook page is the place to go - super helpful. Well worth a trial sail, they are lovely boats which seem happy enough inland and on the sea.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 11:47pm |
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H2 is indeed a beautiful boat (and is on my wish list) but at 56 kg it is only 5kg less than a Phantom and 16kg less than a Blaze (though it is a huge 51kg than a Finn) and the cost of entry is still high as you say.
FWIW I don't find that scaff pole at all uncomfortable to hang over (I don't know why 'cos, in theory, it should be torture), maybe I just don't hike hard enough (I did buy some hikers but have yet to use them, perhaps I should...).
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
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423zero
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Posted: 27 Nov 18 at 7:07am |
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Only evèr seen giants sailing Phantoms, always assumed I was too small, never actually seen a Finn in the flesh, well don't think so.
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jeffers
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Posted: 27 Nov 18 at 8:58am |
I always found the Blaze very comfy but then I came from a Laser so sitting on glass would be comfy. I was fun to pass them all going upwind as you power perch on the rack and they are all gurning from the effort.
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Dangerousday
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Posted: 27 Nov 18 at 9:04am |
I have had a break from dinghy sailing admittedly. Due to various logistic reasons I made a switch to board sailing, so not quite ready for a Solo yet - not as though anyone has suggested it. H2 does appeal to me, just not the budget. Club where I sailed a few years ago there was a noticeable switch in what was being sailed over a few years as the regular racers aged, firstly from Laser to Radial rigs, then to Streakers. Think that Dave Butler was a member at the time and building them may have swayed a few. |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 27 Nov 18 at 9:08am |
That's just individual preferences, though, Sam. I'm exactly your weight and just an inch taller, and I'm quite happy on the Laser as are friends the same sort of height and weight. I'm not saying it's the boat for everyone, but your preferences were probably the issue (which is of course perfectly fine) and not your physique.
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