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    Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Boats are far too heavy and only Martin Wadhams appears to be listening. Those dunderheads in the Contender class, when are they going to get it?

So what would your perfect, history erased, all existing dinghies destroyed, new class look like - a single hander and a non-trap two-hander, being the bulk of the market.

Where is the light/robust/cheap balance struck? (being mostly mutually exclusive)
Where is the weight/performance/stability line drawn? 
Where does the sit-in/sit-on compromise lay?
Where does the crew-weight/righting moment/rig-size balance lay, given the above?
How will you prevent the people willing to hike hard from hammering the perchers?

I trust you learned a bit from the V1 experiment, but what revolutionary insights are RS and the rest not seeing?
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I wouldn't want to erase history, nor those who enjoy that element of the sports enjoyment thereof, but as I've obviously cracked on often enough about to be a broken record, is it necessary to thrust their opinion on others?

Everything about what I refer to the 'protectionist' small minded nature of condemning any new attempts at market penetration by new boats or 'classes' by the old guard.

The lack of a modern structured marketing approach to new boat sales, from no dealers, no 'demo days' to amateurism being the cheapskate marketing choice of the establishment. So, no finance, no leasing, no trade ins, no profit motivated promoters of the sizzle into which they wish to sell their sausages.

That almost pathetic but none the less so well intentioned example at the Kent show recently of a club trying to stem the flow. If 'they' and I mean by 'they' all stakeholders in this lark want to reverse or even stabilise the sport then a serious shake up is needed.

Personally I would sell the boat with the sailing instructions of how to use it as part of the Retail price, but to do that would require a nice new approach to a boat, a volume supplier with good pricing enough to build a margin for resellers and a couple of options as to how it is sailed. It ought to be possible to have one hull with either single, double or single with trapeze use depending on which 'flavour' you want. It ought to be Aero light and the rigs would need to be such that if you leave it to park your trailer it doesn't fall over, that's the acid test. Such a product could even be designed with foil upgrades down the path away they are not the rocket science they once were.

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Originally posted by iGRF

It ought to be possible to have...

The trouble is that a boat intended to be all those things will inevitably be mediocre at best at any of them, and there are good 'laws of physics' reasons why this should be so. The last attempt to get round that were the mostly ghastly weight equalised boats of the 80s and 90s, and those classes being mostly extinct or nearly so tells its own story.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote fab100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by JimC

 'laws of physics'

we all know by now that, to iGRF, the Laws of Physics are an irrelevant red herring that have no bearing on the discussion at hand, whatever the subject may be.
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You say that, but lets take an example of something that already exists, that could be redressed to do all that.

I give you the humble Pantom hull as a base unit.

No reason at all that couldn't be redressed to accomodate two normal sized people.

No reason a trapezing rig could not be positioned.

Now that is just one quick example, don't tell me a new boat couldn't be built around similar dimensions with a perhaps more 'modern' aspect..

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This boat already exists (well, okay it's a bit heavier than an Aero) The Topper Topaz   Thumbs Up  
Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"
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Topper Topaz. We have all the versions at my club, all uncomfortable in a drifter.
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The Topaz makes my point, it does all of those things, none of them especially well.

A Phantom as a two hander would drag its early 1970s overwide posterior in the light, and make a boat already not that great in light conditions even worse.

As for adding a trapeze, I can only quite Paul Bieker on International 14s - "everyone said a second trapeze would be a cheap way to go faster, then we all got to chuck our hulls"


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What modern classes are comfortable in a drifter ?
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A Phantom won tonights drifter, they are an excellent boat in light conditions
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