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Topic: Auction of historic dinghies
Posted By: RS400atC
Subject: Auction of historic dinghies
Date Posted: 11 Jul 17 at 1:22pm
https://www.sweeney-kincaid.com/Sales/CatalogLots.aspx?SaleId=3112" rel="nofollow - www.sweeney-kincaid.com/Sales/CatalogLots.aspx?SaleId=3112

Several 14's, Merlins, and your chance to own a Fijian Proa.....




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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 11 Jul 17 at 3:25pm
Its not GRF selling off his real fleet is it?

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Posted By: Time Lord
Date Posted: 11 Jul 17 at 4:11pm
Of course it is. He found that the coracle was not for him!

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Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 10:04am
Read about David Henshall's fears regarding the auction!

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/197092/Sailing-history-for-sale" rel="nofollow - yachtsandyachting.com/news/197092/Sailing-history-for-sale


Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 10:55am
It's not clear to me which organisation is in administration...

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Posted By: Time Lord
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 12:52pm
Another excellent article. It's just a pity that it is such a depressing topic! Probably the only solution is for someone with very deep pockets to come along to save the whole lot then sell off the non uk stock. Probably wishful thinking!

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 2:57pm
Honestly, what is the difference between most of that museum stuff and what 80% of y'all are still sailing ffs.

And seriously you're wondering why the damn sport is in decline when all you and our supposed premier magazine can get exicited about is stories like this and romancing about swallows merlins and drunks in Salcombe..

Really, I mean really what are you all?

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 3:25pm
http://windsurferclass.com/?p=3239" rel="nofollow - http://windsurferclass.com/?p=3239

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Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 4:57pm
https://www.sweeney-kincaid.com/Sales/Live/LiveBid2.aspx?SaleID=3112&LotNumber=556&CatMode=1&PageNo=1&strBidStatus=A&DisplayModal=True&index=342&manual=1&auto=0 

Enterprise number 1 is for sale by the looks of things. I'm sure someone on here would snap that up!?


Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 7:09pm
The CVRDA forum has some extra details, such as which auction details are wrong, and where to find more photos.

http://www.cvrda.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6698" rel="nofollow - www.cvrda.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6698


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 12 Jul 17 at 8:07pm
There are quite a few boats in the auction I restored nearly 25 years ago. Very sad to see what is happening now.



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Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 8:35am
The trouble is that the majority of these have no value as sailing dinghies, they are, or will be, ornaments. They should definitely be preserved by someone, but that someone is not going to be a private individual it wants a charity setting up or the RYA to get involved.

But the first hurdle is a realistic price for the collection, i don't think any of those are worth thousands and most not even hundreds!


Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 8:44am
Originally posted by iGRF

Honestly, what is the difference between most of that museum stuff and what 80% of y'all are still sailing ffs.

And seriously you're wondering why the damn sport is in decline when all you and our supposed premier magazine can get exicited about is stories like this and romancing about swallows merlins and drunks in Salcombe..

Really, I mean really what are you all?

What we are is actually much LESS worried about our history than other sports. Look at car racing and you'll see that a historic racing car can sell for 20 million pounds. Look at road cycling, a growing sport, and you'll see museums and even chapels dedicated to the history of the sport.




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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 8:45am
Originally posted by Rupert

There are quite a few boats in the auction I restored nearly 25 years ago. Very sad to see what is happening now.

Commiserations, and many thanks for your work in the past.ClapClapClapClap


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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:35am
Originally posted by iGRF

Honestly, what is the difference between most of that museum stuff and what 80% of y'all are still sailing ffs.

And seriously you're wondering why the damn sport is in decline when all you and our supposed premier magazine can get exicited about is stories like this and romancing about swallows merlins and drunks in Salcombe..

Really, I mean really what are you all?

funny that, in contrast, if someone put up a cache of pre-war F1 cars, the valuations would be stratospheric. Those 14s, whether you understand so or not, are the dinghy equivalent of a Bugatti found rusting in a barn. 

Equally useless in utility terms of course, but collecting is a bit (totally?) mad; look at the values of some Beanie Babies (sadly not those abandoned by my daughter) or original Spiderman comics like those my mother threw away without consulting me. It all relies on a bigger-fool splashing more when the collector wants to cash in.

And i think you'll find 80% of dinghies sailed/raced these days are plastic. Even your beloved Merlins now acknowledge the foam-core FRP ones are miles faster. 



 




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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:46am
Originally posted by fab100


funny that, in contrast, if someone put up a cache of pre-war F1 cars, the valuations would be stratospheric. Those 14s, whether you understand so or not, are the dinghy equivalent of a Bugatti found rusting in a barn. 


That is precisely the point, in all other walks of life time has moved on, so people do look back nostalgicly to what went before. Dinghy sailing has sadly for the most part, not moved on. Solo's, Merlins, Streakers, GP's, Enterprises, Larks.. They're all still current and even the modern latter day equivalents from RS are just GRP versions of an old class, or you have elite extremes open to no-one without years of practise, with a cursory patronising polyethylene dumpster offered to anyone new...

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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 11:22am
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by fab100


funny that, in contrast, if someone put up a cache of pre-war F1 cars, the valuations would be stratospheric. Those 14s, whether you understand so or not, are the dinghy equivalent of a Bugatti found rusting in a barn. 


That is precisely the point, in all other walks of life time has moved on, so people do look back nostalgicly to what went before. Dinghy sailing has sadly for the most part, not moved on. Solo's, Merlins, Streakers, GP's, Enterprises, Larks.. They're all still current and even the modern latter day equivalents from RS are just GRP versions of an old class, or you have elite extremes open to no-one without years of practise, with a cursory patronising polyethylene dumpster offered to anyone new...

If you could show Uffa Fox (equivalent to Fangio and Enzo Ferrari combined) the man behind some of those 1930s (made with wood planks riveted onto wood ribs, metal plate plus cotton sails on wooden spars) a modern 14 or even Merlin, built in carbon or foam-sandwich FRP with carbon spars, modern sails, with adjustable everything, he'd violently disagree. 

In performance terms it'd be interesting to be able to compare the performance gains around the track of F1 cars and an Int14 since the 1930s. I'd guess in straight line speed gain the boats would have advanced most by far, but the cars will have benefited from tyre advances and downforce in their corners.

On the Ents and GPs, yes, superficially, they look the pretty much the same, but more to the point, if you could wipe them all out, what would your ideal replacement look like? Probably, superficially, pretty much the same thing. And an Ent or GP is equivalent to an Austin A40, not an F1 car. How different, in these terms is an A40 to a Fiesta. Engine at front, 2 doors at sides, 4 seats, big door at back. Same ol' same ol'.
 




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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 11:37am
OK lets' take the Austin A40, I once drove one to Germany in 1970 it took lots of petrol and 2 gallons of oil, I had a transistor radio scooting about the dashboard trying to stay tuned to radio luxemburg and I had to frequently stop to check my map or wind down the window to ask someone the way. Meanwhile Jack Holt was what?Just moving from his Solo into a Streaker and a Laser was about to be launched costing about the same price as my A40 if I bought a newer model.

So now I drive down the lake with fourwheel drive, abs, acr, gps, dab radio, internet access, a/c, electric sunroof, electric windows, google maps telling me the traffic's a bit busy and my journey will be 14 mins one way or I could try another and it will take 13minutes, then when I get there I ask what boat I should be sailing and they tell me Streaker, if I choose to go to Hythe&Stupid SC they'll tell me Laser, so what were you saying about the sport moving on?

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 11:43am
I met someone who'd sailed with Uffa back in the 20s at the Dinghy Exhibition (Sailboat) many years ago. He was complaining that the boats were far too heavy. Fortunately I was on the Cherub stand.

Things have moved on, and the list of most popular classes has changed. At least we're not in the the ridiculous situation we were in, I think it was late 80s or early 90s, when the GP14 was the biggest *racing* class in the country. I used to say at the time, if you'd said to Jack Holt in 1949 "the boat you design today will be the biggest racing class in the country in 40 years time" it would have looked very different.

To be honest the thing that worries me most about present boats is that so many classes seem to me unnecessarily expensive. That seems to me a dangerous trend.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 11:47am
Boats are far too heavy and only Martin Wadhams appears to be listening. Those dunderheads in the Contender class, when are they going to get it?

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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Boats are far too heavy and only Martin Wadhams appears to be listening. Those dunderheads in the Contender class, when are they going to get it?

So what would your perfect, history erased, all existing dinghies destroyed, new class look like - a single hander and a non-trap two-hander, being the bulk of the market.

Where is the light/robust/cheap balance struck? (being mostly mutually exclusive)
Where is the weight/performance/stability line drawn? 
Where does the sit-in/sit-on compromise lay?
Where does the crew-weight/righting moment/rig-size balance lay, given the above?
How will you prevent the people willing to hike hard from hammering the perchers?

I trust you learned a bit from the V1 experiment, but what revolutionary insights are RS and the rest not seeing?


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 1:12pm
I wouldn't want to erase history, nor those who enjoy that element of the sports enjoyment thereof, but as I've obviously cracked on often enough about to be a broken record, is it necessary to thrust their opinion on others?

Everything about what I refer to the 'protectionist' small minded nature of condemning any new attempts at market penetration by new boats or 'classes' by the old guard.

The lack of a modern structured marketing approach to new boat sales, from no dealers, no 'demo days' to amateurism being the cheapskate marketing choice of the establishment. So, no finance, no leasing, no trade ins, no profit motivated promoters of the sizzle into which they wish to sell their sausages.

That almost pathetic but none the less so well intentioned example at the Kent show recently of a club trying to stem the flow. If 'they' and I mean by 'they' all stakeholders in this lark want to reverse or even stabilise the sport then a serious shake up is needed.

Personally I would sell the boat with the sailing instructions of how to use it as part of the Retail price, but to do that would require a nice new approach to a boat, a volume supplier with good pricing enough to build a margin for resellers and a couple of options as to how it is sailed. It ought to be possible to have one hull with either single, double or single with trapeze use depending on which 'flavour' you want. It ought to be Aero light and the rigs would need to be such that if you leave it to park your trailer it doesn't fall over, that's the acid test. Such a product could even be designed with foil upgrades down the path away they are not the rocket science they once were.

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by iGRF

It ought to be possible to have...

The trouble is that a boat intended to be all those things will inevitably be mediocre at best at any of them, and there are good 'laws of physics' reasons why this should be so. The last attempt to get round that were the mostly ghastly weight equalised boats of the 80s and 90s, and those classes being mostly extinct or nearly so tells its own story.


Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by JimC

 'laws of physics'

we all know by now that, to iGRF, the Laws of Physics are an irrelevant red herring that have no bearing on the discussion at hand, whatever the subject may be.


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 2:18pm
You say that, but lets take an example of something that already exists, that could be redressed to do all that.

I give you the humble Pantom hull as a base unit.

No reason at all that couldn't be redressed to accomodate two normal sized people.

No reason a trapezing rig could not be positioned.

Now that is just one quick example, don't tell me a new boat couldn't be built around similar dimensions with a perhaps more 'modern' aspect..

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 2:56pm
This boat already exists (well, okay it's a bit heavier than an Aero) The Topper Topaz  Thumbs Up  

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:00pm
Topper Topaz. We have all the versions at my club, all uncomfortable in a drifter.


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:07pm
The Topaz makes my point, it does all of those things, none of them especially well.

A Phantom as a two hander would drag its early 1970s overwide posterior in the light, and make a boat already not that great in light conditions even worse.

As for adding a trapeze, I can only quite Paul Bieker on International 14s - "everyone said a second trapeze would be a cheap way to go faster, then we all got to chuck our hulls"


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:27pm
What modern classes are comfortable in a drifter ?


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:41pm
A Phantom won tonights drifter, they are an excellent boat in light conditions

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:44pm
But is it comfortable ;) ?

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:51pm
Old design too, burn it with all the others, only boats designed after 2000, please.


Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 9:53pm
na of course not, unless you have a thwart in it, or a deeper cockpit. Faster than a contender, fireball, RS800 or MPS in very light stuff. All you do is move forward and that posterior is out of the water and there is little drag.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 10:17pm
With some leeward heel (quite a lot..... FWIW (nowt TBH) I won a race in a drifter, singlehanding my Spice doing that).

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 10:20pm
Comets at my club sail like that in a gale.


Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 10:29pm
I've seen comets at our club drift past phantoms in a force 0-1 despite starting 5 minutes after them. Very embarrassing for those that were overtaken....I wasn't one of them thankfully 

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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 8:58am
Bet you had the common sense to stay in the bar!
If you can count the cups going round on an anemometer going round its to light to sail.


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Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 11:16am
Although you can lift the bum of a Phantom out to a degree, I do agree with Jim's point that they aren't that slippery in the light stuff.

I used to regularly sail against an RS300, which is rated similarly. It was quicker in the really light stuff and then at about 5/6 knots the Phantom's powerful rig overcame the drag and I would be faster until the wind really strengthened when the ultimate speed of the RS300 won over.

Overall, I still think it is a pretty good design for a 70s design, with a much better blend of speed and ease of use compared to anything else I can think of. Main downside is the kneeling downwind, which the deep cockpit solves.


Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 4:47pm
Not that slippery true, but more slippery than most modern designs. And no Gordon I wasn't in the bar, we don't have one but I never let a comet near me

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 5:53pm
It appears their are no dinghies after 2000 that are comfortable in a drifter ???

Keith Callaghans "Hadron" looks like it could be comfortable in a drifter and for older sailors.

I like the Enterprise sailing dinghy, light for it's size, easy to rig, easy to sail, even for a relative beginner, fast enough for competent sailors who want a seat, comfortable in a drifter, is their a modern dinghy to match ??


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 6:38pm
Honestly chaps, describing the Phantom as "not that great" in light conditions is hardly worth that many off topic posts is it? Admittedly it was already completely OT anyway but still. Every boat is a compromise, and the list of boats that could fairly be described as not that great in one set of conditions or another is a pretty long one.


Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 8:08pm
Well the forum is pretty quiet these days, so not much to comment on.

Plus forums will be pretty dull places if we couldn't go off topic (just like any other conversation really).

In another popular sailing forum, the most popular thread is called "Drift a Thread", currently at 11,390 replies and 82k views. Maybe we need one of those here.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by 423zero

is there a modern dinghy to match ??


I wonder, what's the Aero like in a drifter?

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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 9:03pm
"I wonder, what's the Aero like in a drifter?"

Compared to a British Moth? Wink




Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 10:54pm
It'll be fantastic but only with a 5 year old at the helm......

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Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 11:12pm
Originally posted by Do Different

"I wonder, what's the Aero like in a drifter?"

Compared to a British Moth? Wink


The aero is good in light winds but no where near as good as a British moth in a drifter on our small puddle. 


Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 7:06am
I agree that the hadron looks comfortable and nice to sail in all winds but then it's not really a new design is it? It's the same hull as a Merlin in all but name

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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 8:10am
So the Hadron, nice to sail in all winds, comfortable and looks good, but not new?

A massive generalisation but to my mind "new" boats either go down the route of working very well in a narrow set of conditions or look a lot like old boats and work quite well over a broad range.

Anecdotally some time back I remember a  mate coming home from a 505 event held in a F5/6 and telling me of a conversation with the Race Team "we knew you'd be no bother, L4000s in the same were a right pain" I suspect the 50s would have also coped with a F2 better.






Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 8:55am
Well yes, but put brutally the 505 just isn't fast enough - in relation to its size - to get into that much trouble.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 9:18am
I can see the Merlin thing, but first boat I thought of was Express.


Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 11:19am
Originally posted by iGRF

OK lets' take the Austin A40, I once drove one to Germany in 1970 it took lots of petrol and 2 gallons of oil, I had a transistor radio scooting about the dashboard trying to stay tuned to radio luxemburg and I had to frequently stop to check my map or wind down the window to ask someone the way. Meanwhile Jack Holt was what?Just moving from his Solo into a Streaker and a Laser was about to be launched costing about the same price as my A40 if I bought a newer model.

So now I drive down the lake with fourwheel drive, abs, acr, gps, dab radio, internet access, a/c, electric sunroof, electric windows, google maps telling me the traffic's a bit busy and my journey will be 14 mins one way or I could try another and it will take 13minutes, then when I get there I ask what boat I should be sailing and they tell me Streaker, if I choose to go to Hythe&Stupid SC they'll tell me Laser, so what were you saying about the sport moving on?

And if you do sports like horse riding, cricket, or swimming - all popular activities - you'll probably use kit that hasn't changed any more than sailing has. 

What you're ignoring is that many classes had changed dramatically, as others have pointed out, and many areas of sailing have changed dramatically. The areas that have changed dramatically haven't done particularly well - how did windsurfing do when it threw away all the old classes?
There's been a lot of change in trapeze dinghies, and trapeze dinghies are now a much smaller part of the sport. Same thing with cats.

For many of us, the boat is just like a set of rules in other sports. The sport is in doing your best within those rules, so we're just as happy with rules from 1970 as people are with the rules of chess, which date back hundreds of years. Other people have a different way of looking at it and that's cool.


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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 3:13pm
Horses haven't changes significantly for hundreds of thousands of years Evil Smile

And, regarding possibly the fastest growing participation sport of the century so far, cycling, bikes are much the same as they were in the 1880s..... the difference between an 1885 Rover Safety and a modern Carbon racer is more like that between a 1960 Enterprise and a 2017 FRP Mk3 than an Firefly and a 49er.....


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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 5:37pm
Come on JimC, to put it nicely a 505 is as quick as an L4000 any day, any where which was my point.

Like with like man. Smile
 


Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 7:15pm
Bikes are virtually a box rule. You can muck around with the components but the UCI defines what a "bike" is and frankly it's very dull. However everybody seems happy with the arrangement and happy to go along with the UCI for the sake of the sport. I 'spose the Laser is the nearest thing to this in the dinghy world. Maybe most people just want certainty in their sporting activities.........


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 7:33pm
Hmmm, Swimming, how can we bring swimming into the 21st Century ?


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 7:52pm
Foiling swimming? Just the hands and feet dipping in the water.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 10:55pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Hmmm, Swimming, how can we bring swimming into the 21st Century ?


If you hadn't noticed there are full body swim suits featuring 'nano' tech, to make them super slippy in competition.

Plus web gloves, swim fins all manner of modern updates.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 15 Jul 17 at 11:34pm
Originally posted by Riv

Bikes are virtually a box rule. You can muck around with the components but the UCI defines what a "bike" is and frankly it's very dull. However everybody seems happy with the arrangement and happy to go along with the UCI for the sake of the sport. I 'spose the Laser is the nearest thing to this in the dinghy world. Maybe most people just want certainty in their sporting activities.........

To a great extent it's because the basic layout is right. Recumbents have their advantages but for racing they could only win in a very specific set of circumstances. 


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 16 Jul 17 at 12:40am
Sport or pastime impossible to update/modernise ???


Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 16 Jul 17 at 9:27am
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by 423zero

Hmmm, Swimming, how can we bring swimming into the 21st Century ?


If you hadn't noticed there are full body swim suits featuring 'nano' tech, to make them super slippy in competition.

Plus web gloves, swim fins all manner of modern updates.
And they are banned for the vast majority of events.


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The history and design of the racing dinghy.


Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 16 Jul 17 at 10:39am
Originally posted by Riv

Bikes are virtually a box rule. You can muck around with the components but the UCI defines what a "bike" is and frankly it's very dull. However everybody seems happy with the arrangement and happy to go along with the UCI for the sake of the sport. I 'spose the Laser is the nearest thing to this in the dinghy world. Maybe most people just want certainty in their sporting activities.........
I think it's more that we want convenience and we don't really care for speed per se. I don't find it dull at all - I'd find it terribly dull if the guy next to me won because he spent $30,000 on a carbon streamlined recumbent that needed a periscope to steer by and a pit crew to get ready.

Given the success of cycling, the western world's #1 equipment-intensive sport in many ways, it's hard to see how it can be getting it wrong. Surely it is a lesson in doing it right?


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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 17 Jul 17 at 12:07pm
I was thinking more about the elite levels of the sport
I'm sure that there are lots of experienced cyclists on this forum. How much does the best time trial bike cost that the top pros would be riding? How many people will directly support a top pro rider (pit crew)?




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