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Poll Question: Stay with RYA or form new association
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    Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by transient

Originally posted by turnturtle

 
So far the poll indicates that a new organisation's 'approval rating' is sub 25%.... in other words, it would be doomed before it started!!!
 What I find alarming is that 52% think the RYA doesn't need changing.I'll stick my neck out here and say there is not one organisation anywhere that couldn't benefit from some changes.



As per earlier post, I'm one of the 52% that acknowledge the RYA is continuously evolving, as such, both the top options are the same to me.
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Well you all know my view of the RYA and I have supported it as many of my peers did for the forty or so years I've experienced it's existence, but it was always as a better the devil you know and as an entity to block Whitehalls potential incursion into taxing and licensing water use and as far as that bit goes they've done the job.
As the b**tard ginger step child nobody wanted, windsurfing has about got what we expected and those expectations were not particularly high in the first place but for a period the RYA afforded an umbrella within which we could organise ourselves unilaterally and we did and for a while things were OK, then came that day in Lyme Regis and the world changed after that. It was only since I turfed up on the dinghy scene which I always thought the RYA catered for that I realised they bugger you lot about more than they did us.

I never really thought anything we could organise would stand in the place of the RYA, but I do think a sort of Super Class/Body/Federation on the face of it governing Open Handicap racing and offering all the things I've been cracking on about, fairer handicaps, boat ratings, box rule event co ordination, adult race training, manufacturer/ trade liason re handicaps and ratings and with sensible folk to talk to rather than the sort of jobsworths you tend to come across at the RYA these days, that was all.

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Damn me, I so wish I had royalty rights on how many times the PY system gets mentioned or blamed, it really is the gift that keeps on giving isn't it?

Truly though, is anybody out there fixated and frustrated on PY or even slightly bothered as much as a double handful of posters on a Y&Y'ing forum? 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by Do Different

it really is the gift that keeps on giving isn't it?]


Well at least they gave you it, more than they did for us.

What gets me is it could work so much better with just a little effort, everybody accepts it'll never be perfect, but it could be more inclusive, transparent, automated and with less suspicion of 'gerrymandering' to use a clapped out expression.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by Do Different

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Loss of funding to chase medal targets could well be a blessing in disguise. Putting the focus back on simply sailing as fulfilling exercise in it's own right and forcing more local initiatives and self reliance.





Yup.

There's no Olympic legacy. It doesn't push the technology along. The associated corruption is appalling and while the sailing folk are undoubtedly squeaky clean everyone else seems to have asthma. 

Spend the efforts on simply sailing.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by transient

Originally posted by Do Different

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Loss of funding to chase medal targets could well be a blessing in disguise. Putting the focus back on simply sailing as fulfilling exercise in it's own right and forcing more local initiatives and self reliance.





Yup.

There's no Olympic legacy. It doesn't push the technology along. The associated corruption is appalling and while the sailing folk are undoubtedly squeaky clean everyone else seems to have asthma. 

Spend the efforts on simply sailing.

I have never completely bought into the arguement that sailing in the Olympics is such a bad thing; any sport needs heroes to look up to, this is something that encourages youth into a sport because it is cool ... and the Olympics is definitely people can relate to, and puts sailing on a level footing with other "bigger sports".  

And the Olympics is dinghy sailing ... something that we can identify with.  The other Grand Prix events ... Vendee, Volvo and America's Cup are increasingly removed from mainstream dinghy sailing.

We recently had a talk at our club by Hannah Mills and I have no doubt that some of the youngsters who attended will have gone away inspired, or at least confirmed that their participation in an Olympic sport was cool,

I wont dwell on the whole Olympic circus and the associated ethical concerns, that is a debate for elsewhere; however it is fair to say that the RYA's Youth and Olymic pathway routes do not appear to do the mainstream sport a lot of favours, and in my opinion this is the area that the RYA could do so much more with.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 5:19pm
All they really need to do is to include club and open meeting racing into the 'pathway' in some way. As it is they keep the kids segregated from the mainstream (and it's much worse in windsurfing) so they don't become part of that scene until they have 'failed' to make the grade (if at all). I suspect many T15 kids are the children of non-windsurfers, gleaned from windsurfing taster courses and OB summer schools so they don't have their parents racing at club level to join in with. Plus there's not much club racing for windsurfers. It's different with dinghies but there is still a separation between youth and adult racing which need not be there.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 5:29pm
How is windsurfing worse? The Techno's race at all the UKWA events, and outnumber the adults.

I can't think of any junior dinghy class that combines its opens with adult racing, apart from maybe the Laser 4.7.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 6:10pm
Fair enough, I'll admit to being out of touch with the National circuit in the last 10 years or so. However that doesn't happen at regional level (which neither the RYA or UKWA seem to have any interest in). Until I returned to dinghies 7-8 years ago we tried countless times to get the local T15 teams to join in out Raceboard events but I think it happened about twice with the T15 organisers making one excuse after another. There has to be integration at grass roots level or the kids go awol when they are too old for T15

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Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 6:20pm
I think the LWA have techno's too.

There's a UKWA event at Rutland this weekend. Why not come and take a look if you're not too far.
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