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    Posted: 01 Dec 16 at 9:16pm
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Originally posted by laser193713

No, the spider is there because it is illegal to add extra hull fittings. That's just a "laser-ism".



Wrong.
22. COMPASS (a) One compass is permitted mounted on any part of the deck or the cockpit, provided that the hull cavity is not pierced by anything other than the fasteners.

We have enough "laser-isms" without making new ones up.
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Originally posted by laser193713

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It sounds like you are going into this with a very negative stance, why did you buy a Laser?

Level racing, boat on boat. Not sure I'd call it 'class racing' as many of my esteemed rivals seem more relaxed about class rules than I am.
On the race course it is great.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 16 at 7:16pm
That seems the eternally frustrating thing about a Laser. Nice boat to sail but infuriating niggles that could have been weeded out through it's life.

I know, I know "same for all" "creating an arms race" "increasing cost". Come on though really, they are hardly cheap now, especially when you consider the very basic materials they are made from. 
Would a gradual and process have really killed the Class or made it more inspirational and engaging to progress into the new innovations as they came along.  
I am led to believe the real keeners are changing boats and sails on a regular basis anyway and the hackers like me would have enjoyed the chance to pick up a three yr old spec boat to replace the earlier clunker.  
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Lasers have changed over the years, several versions of the sail (which only remain competitive for a season at best), XD kits and super kickers (due to the crap sail and spars). If they were cheap that would be fine but they ain't........

Laser could easily upgrade the bits that wear out as any serious (and semi-serious) racer will change every year or so anyway and keep the durable bits the same.

Mylar sail, carbon spars and a bit of freedom to change things that make a Laser horrible for us short ar5es (toe straps primarily) and you'd have a proper 21st century boat.....


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Yes exactly the XD and mighty kickers are there now as a response to the cobble up of knots people came up with to get around the rules; anybody else read Glenn Burke in the 90s? What a way to treat a sail though, winding the cunningham on down past the gooseneck, ridiculous.
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Yup, about time they changed to a decent rig like the Byte class did with the CII
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They still do that with the cunningham don't they? I was at a laser training day a few years back and the coach told me to put the cunningham on. My Response was that it was on, he then grabbed the rope and said words to the effect -call that down haul, no this is what I mean by down haul! Put his foot against the bulkhead and used all his strength (with the XD set up), to get it down to the gooseneck. Made the sail shape flat and really easy upwind, but didn't do my brand new sail much good.
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Originally posted by Oatsandbeans

They still do that with the cunningham don't they? I was at a laser training day a few years back and the coach told me to put the cunningham on. My Response was that it was on, he then grabbed the rope and said words to the effect -call that down haul, no this is what I mean by down haul! Put his foot against the bulkhead and used all his strength (with the XD set up), to get it down to the gooseneck. Made the sail shape flat and really easy upwind, but didn't do my brand new sail much good.

The new Mk 2 full rug sails need even more cunningham apparently (if that was possible).
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  • while there are still thousands of them out sailing each weekend
  • while there are tens of thousands of them sitting in boat parks world wide
  • while people continue to buy the stuff, sustaining the suppliers and encouraging them on

.... nothing will change, some may say lazy pace of change, others great one design racing, the reality is that even in 2016, when there are many, many "better" boats for the money out there, so many L*sers are still out there that only voting with our feet en masse will ever have any impact.  A brave club may one day say "no laser fleet, sorry" but that day, I would guess, is still some way off
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