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    Posted: 15 Oct 16 at 4:48pm
470 mixed, 49er mixed, foiling nacra 17 mixed, moths for both on separate courses, then vo65s with 50/50 split crews.
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I'd agree 470 mixed and nacra mixed, but there needs to be unmixed as well. 49er seems ok for that.
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Originally posted by Do Different

Surely. Two separate questions.
A non gender specific (performance?) single hander and a boat that fulfils Olympic requirements for worldwide accessibility are not easily compatible.
Clear requirements are needed before you can identify the tool for the task.



and I suspect the  result  of the question  may  be achieved  with a  new  class following a  trials process  

what about the farr 3.7 ? or  one of the penultimate / lowrider  Int Moths? but as a open One design  and  development class the political angle  is something that would need to be  considered ...  As I guess the IOC would prefer a SMOD / strict OD with local builders  and a  an arrangement to provide boats  for the  actual olympics themselvs ...  
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Originally posted by Rupert

Too many ways round the amateur thing, first with state sponsorship, then with American colleges and finally with companies.


 how many of the WarPac  atheletes were nominally military personnel ? 

 Quite a few of the UKs past track and field  Olympians  were  officially Military PTIs  (Holmes, Akabusi ) and closer to home without the attitude of the RN  the 'ferreting' world  would be rather different ...

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Over time I personally have felt that the winning of National Championships or a Euro or Worlds title seems so much more an amateur win.
I see the winning by a Joe Blogs who has a full or part time job more akin to my kind of club sailing, Yes there are the professionals who turn up to win for whoever they work for but on the whole there are lots of classes who do have proper amateur champions.

This is something I feel the also runs in the young squad systems need to think of when they do not make the top, or maybe helped to see that there is as much achievement in winning at a non Olympic championship  and so their sailing life has not ended just yet!

To be a club champion is a great thing to be, to win an open meeting in your class is also great, lets celebrate these wins as much as possible so its elevated to a much greater achievement than I feel it is at the moment.
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We don't need a 'women's performance single hander', we just need a decent performance single hander for those who are too short and/or light for the Musto, D one, contender etc.  It's doesn't need to be based on gender, just body type.  Boat builders are starting to look in the right direction; the D one has a small rig, the D zero has the blue rig, he aero has a choice of rigs.  But part of the problem is that anything with a trap and/or kite requires regular sailing to keep on top of the skill set.   Not many of us, male or female, have the lifestyle that allows us to put in the time on the water needed to make sailing performance boats fun rather than a capsize fest.  Obviously those with Olympic aspirations will make the time to get the training done, but as soon as you limit work time you limit income., which of course you need to keep up with demand for new sails, the latest rig etc.
the same, but different...

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Originally posted by winging it

We don't need a 'women's performance single hander', we just need a decent performance single hander for those who are too short and/or light for the Musto, D one, contender etc.  It's doesn't need to be based on gender, just body type.  Boat builders are starting to look in the right direction; the D one has a small rig, the D zero has the blue rig, he aero has a choice of rigs.  But part of the problem is that anything with a trap and/or kite requires regular sailing to keep on top of the skill set.   Not many of us, male or female, have the lifestyle that allows us to put in the time on the water needed to make sailing performance boats fun rather than a capsize fest.  Obviously those with Olympic aspirations will make the time to get the training done, but as soon as you limit work time you limit income., which of course you need to keep up with demand for new sails, the latest rig etc.
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I am fed up with saying it and you are all fed up with me saying it...Byte C2. Ladies are voting with their feet and half the fleet are ladies.
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Nice one, makes sense to me. Winging It. Clap
Before taking up sailing I wasted most of my youth and lots of my earnings up to my forties on competing with horses. There is little or no division between the sexes in that field and it appears to work perfectly well with people playing to their strengths with choice of horse types, temperaments and sizes. To my mind this would be a healthy direction to take for sailing. Oh, and of course, doubtless somebody will say "yes but don't you simply sit on horse and the animal does all the work". All I will say to counter would be, try both and before you judge. 
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Byte C2..yes fed up.
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