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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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There is no way that you can take PY racing seriously, particularly on a one off race. Success will always be weather, tide and boat dependent, and that is ignoring the comparative skills of the sailors whose data the PYs are based.
If you have close marginal planing reaches Lasers will dominate Solos. If it is dogs off chains then 420's or Fireballs may dominate. If it is beat and running Merlins should beat 400's. It the wind dies in a pursuit race it will favour the slow boats and visa versa. You get the picture. So by all means go PY racing, have fun, but don't take the handicaps or the results too seriously, or you will get seriously screwed up.
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chrisg ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 893 |
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Not a fan then?
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Same is of course true in development classes, at least if the class hasn't stagnated into a virtual one design. And crew weight is so much more of a factor.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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In contrast to that we feel that 995 for the Phantom is about right on our little inland puddle. I believe a higher proportion of returns come from inland clubs so the PY probably gets skewed a little.
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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Won't say that I am a fan, but I have had a little success in the past including Grafham Grand Prix and Chichester Snowflakes, my point is that you shouldn't take handicap racing or PY numbers too seriously. PY does not effectively deal with the type of course, changing wind conditions or classes where there is a large proportion of good or bad sailors ... Let alone consider tidal gates, as at this year's Steamer. One other relatively new phenomenon to think about; the PY for an Aero or D-zero will be determined by club returns, where the PY will be established from data across a range of conditions, mixing the good and the bad. Yet at one off events someone can turn up with the complete set of rigs and pick their "club" to suit the prevailing conditions but benefit from a PY established from data that is sub optimal.
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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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Perhaps on a puddle ?. Definitely not on the sea |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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What happened to the experiments with splitting the results for sea and inland?
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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It would be nice, but where do you draw the line? As I've said before, inside the breakwaters at Portland and Grafham Water are more like each other than they are like say outside the bar at Hayling or Frensham Pond. There are facilities working up on the website for clubs with similar water to compare local results, which is probably a better option. |
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The Moo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 809 |
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The level of debate on here suggests people do, probably in the main because there is no viable alternative. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Or that for most of us, there has never been any alternative, particularly if you want to sail something designed & built in this century. The fact that no one, not even the body running the system takes it seriously is very disquieting and not doing the sport any favours at all. |
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