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    Posted: 06 Apr 15 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by maxibuddah

Considering that most clubs are miles from the nearest ambulance stations it would appear prudent to have one, whether it be for a competitor or for someone on shore.


ambulance station location is irrelevant  , as they are just one of the many standby points  assuming  resources aren't just going call to call ... 
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Originally posted by andymck

They do work. The latest research shows that time to shock is the most important factor in surviving a cardiac arrest. The skin needs to be dry so it does not short accross the skin, and or get those standing around. It will only activate if there is a heart rythm that will benefit from a shock. Otherwise it tells you do chest compressions. Remember the staying alive Vinny Jones advert. Cardiac arrest is not what most people refer to as a heart attack, though may be caused by one.
The most likely people to benefit are the elder social members, though I have lost three friends to on the water cardiac arrest. One in his 20's.
If you are going to get one for your club. Try to be part of a community scheme. A green box with a key code on the outside of the building. Make sure it is plugged in and that the plug is protected from accidental disconnection or switching off by the green minded.
I would bring the casualty off the water rather than take it in a wet boat.

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no need for a club defib to be  in a community  scheme , in fact it might be counter productive as the site is too remote 

there is no need to keep modern AEDs  'plugged in'  -  the  community  scheme boxes  need that for  the heater ( as they are usually placed on an outside wall )  , lights / alarms any any  'phone home device'  for tampering  / confirming  the box has been opened 

in the club setting a simple hook or cabinet  in a public  and easily accessible part of the club house would  be fine .
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The reason for them to be in the community scheme is so that any member of public can get to it. Surprisingly not all sailing waters are used only when the racing club is open. They are often close to small remote villages as well. The green box on the wall also means everyone knows where it is. If you do have one please do not keep it locked in the club office. The Dutch defib drone may mean we don't need to have them in remote future though.
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Originally posted by andymck

The reason for them to be in the community scheme is so that any member of public can get to it. Surprisingly not all sailing waters are used only when the racing club is open. They are often close to small remote villages as well. The green box on the wall also means everyone knows where it is. If you do have one please do not keep it locked in the club office. The Dutch defib drone may mean we don't need to have them in remote future though.


how many sailing clubs  have got a wall with mains power  publicly accessible  and within easy reach of  sufficient numbers of  people's work places or homes ?  very few I suspect.

the schemes have   criteria  for placement 

in the close to a remote village  scenario the community scheme is more likely to want to place  in the village than  on the sailing club ... 
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i suspect if clubs did contact the community scheme they would get the best advice, including there is actually one round the corner so no need. I am not a builder, but in my experience most buildings that have power have it on at least one wall which can easily be accessed, as is easily seen by the proliferation of green boxes on public buildings and GP surgeries.
We now have one of these at Rutland. I am very happy it is more widely available as it is part of the community scheme. Yes you can come into the club via a pedestrian entrance when the vehicle entrance is closed, and that is likely to be a pre requisite.
As someone who has used them in anger, the most frustrating thing is when no one knows where it is, or it is not working. The modern ones are simple to use, it tells you what to do. But please if you do get one outside such a scheme it has to be accessible.


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Well bugger me, all this talk of a defribulator and our funding application for one from the local 'community chest' has just landed on my desk, granted, so we'll have one after all.

Now could we start talking about a lottery win? Wink


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We don't have one but the marina a few hundred yards away has one. If it was on the water I would make a Mayday call. When similar things have happened the ILB has been with us in a matter of minutes.
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We have just got one and it is registered with emergency services so if a member of public calls 999 nearby the operator will direct them to the device. Ideally it will never ever be used but its nice to know its there if required.
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I suppose you could do that with ours as well....but only on Sunday afternoons or Wednesday evenings in the summer. Other than that carry a brick?
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We bought one last year, as an enhancement to the first aid facilities, hopefully it won't be required but the model purchased will talk you through it and help if required.
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