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    Posted: 02 Mar 14 at 7:58pm
Originally posted by Rupert

I'm puzzled. How can the PY system be designed around Olympic courses if hardly anyone uses them.


Well exactly. A VPP based rule, of course gets into the whole business of what course was it setup for and all the rest, but PY has no idea what courses are involved.

For my own club's racing I've come to the conclusion that we get the fairest series racing by mixing courses up so there are shy reaches some weeks, broader ones others, courses with lots of beating and running, courses with lots of reaching, everything... try and make sure *every* dog has its day!

The thing about W/L courses is that on seriously quick boats the hot angles are the fastest way to the leeward mark, and all you do by taking gybe marks out is remove the challenge of making the gybe mark when its a bit shy. In these boats you sail as fast as you can (whilst staying upright) whilst making best use of the gusts and shifts. You are sailing as fast on the runs as you would be on any other leg.

With slow asymmetric boats like 200s and 400s its another story of course.
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Well we sail triangle sausages predominantly at Hythe which is probably why the handicap system worked better as it was before the great puddle disaster that has occurred recently. Lasers generally won more often than not on 1078, they barely even need to go afloat to win these days...
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Thought I'd try and wrap this thread up with a salient lesson that I keep forgetting and then get reminded of too often. I sail a vision with my sons, a great boat to teach them trapezing and kite handling. They are now quite competent and I have the luxury of choosing a light or heavy weather crew. We do very well at club level and having found a +20 point increase in our handicap I was amazed and rather smug at the prospect of this season's sailing. Saturday saw the first race of the season and, having endured the storms on the south coast all winter, was a little dismayed with 3 knots of wind. A beautiful sunny day in which we beat all fast handicap but had to endure the ignominy of watching helplessly as the solos drifted past to clear up. A handicap nearer a drascombe dabber wouldn't have helped as, when it comes down to it, a fat lump of plastic is just never going to perform all of the time. The remembered lesson...I spent 90 excellent minutes chatting with my 12 year old, saw sunshine for the first time in months, had a beer and a laugh with friends from the club, and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. Handicaps are a means to an end and we all end up frustrated at some stage. Don't ever forget why we go sailing in the first place!
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I would be interested to see your 'foolproof step by step guide to Sailwave', particularly if it includes a 'submit return to RYA PYS' annex. I imagine it runs to several dozen pages?
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Originally posted by KevH

Thought I'd try and wrap this thread up with a salient lesson that I keep forgetting and then get reminded of too often. I sail a vision with my sons, a great boat to teach them trapezing and kite handling. They are now quite competent and I have the luxury of choosing a light or heavy weather crew. We do very well at club level and having found a +20 point increase in our handicap I was amazed and rather smug at the prospect of this season's sailing. Saturday saw the first race of the season and, having endured the storms on the south coast all winter, was a little dismayed with 3 knots of wind. A beautiful sunny day in which we beat all fast handicap but had to endure the ignominy of watching helplessly as the solos drifted past to clear up. A handicap nearer a drascombe dabber wouldn't have helped as, when it comes down to it, a fat lump of plastic is just never going to perform all of the time. The remembered lesson...I spent 90 excellent minutes chatting with my 12 year old, saw sunshine for the first time in months, had a beer and a laugh with friends from the club, and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. Handicaps are a means to an end and we all end up frustrated at some stage. Don't ever forget why we go sailing in the first place!

+1.  Ever since I bought the Fireball I have come off the water smiling, regardless of where I came.  Sailing is enjoyable again, something I had lost after [far too many] years trolling around in a laser.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Well i will be spending a lot more time on the water the handicap change has finally spat me into the fast Handicap fleet at our club with the 49er and 800s quite rightly we decided we could not keep moving the split to suite just me.
Probably have more chance now than against Lasers.
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