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    Posted: 07 Jun 20 at 5:54pm
I'm not convinced racing more than 6 single handers is permitted under the "meet 6 people" rule.  The 6 person meeting is still > 2m.  I suspect it wont be policed.  BUT if there was an outbreak and T&T actually got involved and there were say 18 racers named... someone might start to ask some questions.

That said, the government has allowed the return of competative sport, some of which will be <2m.  

Originally posted by didlydon

We can't physically do it & maintain a healthy distance in the race box
A race box can run single person.  You may need to add some automation (check out Android DSRC App) or if you need two people can one be in and one outside the box.

Originally posted by didlydon

or safety boat -
RYA has suggested single manning 2 RIBs instead of double manning 1.  IF something bad happens both RIBs attend and if necessary helm of 1 anchors and transfers to the other. You will be within 2m, It will be an emergency. You will try to stay apart. You will keep the time to a minimum.

Originally posted by didlydon

 
 or changing room
Is it necessary?  We are brought up with such luxuries so we expect them.  In the summer, turning up with swimming gear on under clothes seems easy enough to switch to a wetsuit.  (Dry Suit - turn up in huggy bear - its pre-warmed).  Changing at the end of the day possible under a towel or dry robe if you want to be posh

Originally posted by didlydon

& keep things as "sterile" as we should.
Restrict numbers. No gear to be kept in change (put it back in the car {mentioned the other day at a club meeting it was like a revelation!}) wipe down the bench with cleaning wipe before and after use.  Certainly going to be an issue for capacity...

Lets not rush too quickly back to how it was before & risk & second wave of this bugger!    
Couldn't agree more.  I think we are unlikely to allow formal racing until July - and really looking for one or more of the following:

- Relaxation of the 6 people rule
- A formal ruling on amateur sport
- Relaxation of the 2m distance

We would like some better clarity on changing rooms and are vaguely hopeful that sort of thing will come with announcements on Gyms etc.

Either this weekend's protests will have shown the virus is down and gone, or we have a second wave coming and we can forget July!

Some of our current work is about being ready to race when the time comes.  So getting our old automation in the race box cleaned off, tested and fully replaced with DSRC if needed.
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Well about 25 out sailing this morning. All good. Common sense and obeying the rules. You're welcome.
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Its all about risk assessment be it either the clubs and then most importantly the individual.

Happy to follow what the club committee has agreed. They give up their time to help run the club(been there, done that, not prepared to jump back in).

If I think personally that the committee have taken things to far or not done correctly for my safety I can stay at home till I am happy.

I follow the guide lines and I am quiet relaxed with the whole thing(probably due to my job daily contians a fair degree of risk anyhow)

My wife on the other hand.

At least we can go for some form of sailing you could be sheidling.

Although sailing without racing is not a hobbie I would continue with. As soon as the club allows racing and I am happy with the risks I'll be there.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 20 at 9:50am
I have jumped off loads of things over the years, leap of faith, elephant rock etc, hope to do Durdle door but will make sure the tide is in
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Do we need to apply a bit of Mr Bumble's "The law is an ass"? I'm not sure even Dickens foresaw the extent we have been overcome by the (American) rules-based approach, never mind contingency fee ambulance-chasers.


The trouble with a rules-based approach is that the actual objective gets lost in the observance, or working around, of the words defining the rules/law. Surely a more sensible approach is to look at what are we trying to achieve and  the best ways to achieve it. 


No practicable set of rules can cover every situation, location and circumstance. But some core principles and guidelines can give a framework that get to the right result without the shenanigans that lawyers (professional or bar-room variety) get up to.


Back to the sailing, we have 5 gentle-gradient concrete launching slips and 8 jetties various of decent lengths and a good sized boat and car park. We have a cart-puller that can be used to move ribs and 2.4s about single-handed. We have a race-box computer system that can be operated by one person. How can a set of generic laws cover that, a shingle beach and committee boats, never mind golf? 


So I’m happy with applying personal responsibility, common sense and letting each club/location determine what works for them. What I am struggling with here is the inference that a difficult circumstance in one club provides a basis for preventing something at another, even though it is adherent to distancing and everything else. And I really struggle with the questioning of others’ judgements without a full understanding of their particular circumstances and also deriding others’ appraisal of risk.


Oh, and compared to eejits jumping of Durdle-door, creating heath fires with barbecues and leaving disgusting detritus everywhere, it seems to me the law has far greater challenges than a few of us going racing in a demonstrably safe way.



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Originally posted by 423zero

all you can reply with is non contributing negativity.


Well said

Be positive and look to help resolve things

Lets look for solutions and not more problems
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mozzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 20 at 8:49am
Originally posted by A2Z

Originally posted by Mozzy

Originally posted by 423zero

Presumably you will have to tell 'Track and trace', you will be very popular, everyone you have met will have to self isolate for 3 weeks.


14 days, not three weeks.

And it's not everyone you met. It's people you've had 'close contact' with. Which, if you were social distancing properly should really be no-one at a sailing club. 


But if you they social distancing properly they probably wouldn’t have caught it in the first place.
Tell that to the checkout clerks, the doctors, nurses, carers and teachers... 
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There is so much attempted censorship on here now, debating an issue is not being negative. Insults and overbearing posts are negative posts not posts that disagree with other posts, do you not think you have lost the debate when all you can reply with is non contributing negativity.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 20 at 7:42am
There are so many negative posts on this topic

This horrendous virus may be with us for years. So simply sitting back and constantly coming up with the 'but what if....' negative comments achieves nothing.

We can all do that and, if we want a world with no risk, we will stay in bed

So many people are putting in so much effort to get us out sailing, back to work, shopping etc etc but its so easy to criticise and come up with reasons not to do anything.

There is risk in all aspects of life - even sitting behind a keyboard and constantly pointing out the bleeding obvious.

If one is so risk averse - stay at home, hope someone else sorts out everything for you one day, oh - and be careful filling the kettle for cocoa, using a toaster, walking up stairs etc - its a dangerous world

Be positive or at least helpful ?



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Originally posted by Mozzy

Originally posted by 423zero

Presumably you will have to tell 'Track and trace', you will be very popular, everyone you have met will have to self isolate for 3 weeks.


14 days, not three weeks.

And it's not everyone you met. It's people you've had 'close contact' with. Which, if you were social distancing properly should really be no-one at a sailing club. 


But if you they social distancing properly they probably wouldn’t have caught it in the first place.
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