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Blobby
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Topic: CHERUBPosted: 22 Aug 05 at 1:51am |
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probably not - but atleast the water is warm over here... |
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Granite
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 1:05pm |
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Lifting foils with no trim tabs or angle adjustment are asking for trouble if you ask me. OK for going up wind at a steady pace, then you turn around pop the kite the speed doubles giving much more lift you hit a wave and bang goes your carefuly set angle of attack! If you had up and down wind settings for the foils it might be enough but auto control is the way forward. PS no lifting foils when this was taken Edited by Granite |
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andy_cherub
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 4:53pm |
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This is why we love our cherubs!!!
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Ginger_69
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 5:45pm |
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hey strawberry i did some reading and thinking about foiling and when you put the lifting foils on there is an increase in form and parasitic drag from the foils themselves plus when you put an angle of attack on the foils and use them to generate lift there is some induced drag which depends on the efficieny of the foils and the ammount of lift generated. Which is not good
The gain is because you reduce the displacement of the hull thus reducing the wavemaking drag and potentialy a decrease in form drag as the weted surface area will decrease slightly. All this helps to promote early planing. When the boat is planing the part of the weight of the hull will be taken on the lifting foils reducing the effective weight on the hull. The lifting foils use both the upper and lower surfaces rather than just the lower as with a planing hull giving efficiency improvements. Further efficiency improvements come from the higher aspect ratio of the fols compared to a planing hull which is short and fat. Obviously lifting the hull totaly out of the water would result in lower drag again biut this introduces serious control issues if you are standing on the side dangling from a bit of wire. |
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Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
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andy_cherub
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 5:58pm |
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Well said dude! |
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Ginger_69
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 6:28pm |
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thanks im quite proud of that if i do say so my self
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Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
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Strawberry
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 7:31pm |
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Exactly, well said. Therefore lifting the entire hull out the water would create less drag everytime! |
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Ginger_69
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 8:35pm |
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thank you |
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Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite |
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Chris Noble
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 9:38pm |
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its easy to see why hydro foils are faster by far, when the boat is foiling there is hardly any wetted surface to ceate the drag in the first place!!! And Phil well done with your result at the Cumbrae's, it was great to watch your boat on the water, good weekend, made all the better by Dave's dancing display on Sat. night.
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Black no sugar
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Posted: 22 Aug 05 at 10:18pm |
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Is it just a wind-up on your part, trying to see how many gullible girls (and maybe a few blokes too, Or is it a comment on one of the photographers who provide regular pictures to fotoboat?? (j/k) |
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