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peterthomas ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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It’s simple really GRF, this thread would have remained entirely focused on slot gaskets had you not completely unnecessarily voiced an ill-informed opinion about the ICON. No one else has sought to compare the ICON to the Alto which I am sure is a very fine boat. If you are happy to post your opinions from a position of ignorance you should not expect them to go unchallenged. If you had tried the ICON on the sea your opinion might be valid, but I don’t think you have. I have corrected you because I happen to know from experience that you are entirely wrong. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Well far be it from me to pour scorn on a new design, precisely the sort of thing I like to see and indeed a fine boat, not the only new boat at the FOM, the X1 also new, also with features and benefits to suit a given set of circumstances.
But we are all victims of our own circumstance and mine isn't given to wasting the efforts of a perfectly capable crew by having them just sit there to provide ballast especially when both parties get more enjoyment from a three sail reach or run. So I would ordinarily prefer an X1 even over the icon were it not designed to be an old fashioned propping up a clothes line style pole with which to operate it's ballooney thing. Had I been up at that FOM at the helm of the Alto of joy it would have been a very different set of results over the water, especially in those conditions in which the boat performs very well even without getting out on the trap. So a boat like the Alto gives you the best of both worlds, you can muddle along like an Icon, but then when the wind puffs up you engage another gear, it is imvho a far superior device for folk with actual motor skills and proper red corpuscles flowing through the veins. That doesn't mean there isn't a place for an Icon, it is a fantastic device for introducing folk to sailing and sail racing, bringing along the family, far better than consigning new folk to old wooden tubs, GP14's Enterprises and the rest of the old dross. In a perfect world there need only be a few boats and one of them could well be an Icon, but the Alto should also be present for the more adventurous types that can still enjoy the rush without necessarily being an ex squaddie or pro jock. It's a very wrong thread pitching the two against each other, they both have their place, but in this thread, it's about a single trap boat with a flushing strip and last time I looked the Icon was neither of those and it has a massive thread of it's own where you fanbois and girls can hang out and talk about how much pain you can suffer in your bottoms without whining.. ![]() |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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well if you'd posted that about 5 years ago, then the answer would have been 'buy a cherub'. ![]() The Icon's en vogue at the moment, I hope for very good reasons... inland and on the sea. Either way, a two sail modern hiker that isn't a N12 sounds like a good addition to the sailing landscape, and given a good dose of optimistic, idealistic dreaming about what sailing my 4 year old and 8 month old might want to do int the future, I could quite see myself wanting one in a few years to compliment a Feva or a couple of Teras.
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scotsfinn ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 17 May 12 Location: Glasgow Online Status: Offline Posts: 284 |
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More thread stealing .... And back to the best boat to hit the market in years! ... iCON....... Oh dear, out of my inexperience, I've ordered the wrong boat and may have to sue the suppliers and designers, and maybe even Devoti (who clearly know nothing) as I thought and they assured me that the boat would be great for sea sailing
Please mr GRF would you help me by acting as an expert witness in this action ..... clearly you know more than just about everyone when it comes to all things boating ....... You're this forums hero!
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Oatsandbeans ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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Sorry I seem to stirred up a bit of a hornest's nest re my slip up confusing an alto and an icon, it makes the thread a lot more interesting though than boring old slot gaskets, maybe I should have just done a thread like " I am currently sailing a RS500 and am struggling with the extreme weather helm, and am thinking of changing boats, but I cant decide on whether to go for the Alto or the Icon, (I am a bit worried about how the Icon would cope as I mainly sail on the sea)."
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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An Icon from what i observed at the FMO is more an inland craft for more sedate sailing,
Oh dear we'd better re-design it then .... but just maybe not - we're not that sure if you'd recognise a pit-bull if it bit you every day for a year in the backside either ![]() Mike L. Edited by blaze720 - 01 Nov 12 at 12:01am |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Yes the glue they supply is very good and more than you need, do the strips first, have the font bit prepared, then bung it on after. All the usual stuff applies clean everything thoroughly first, try and do it on a sunny day so the glue goes off quick, I tried to rub a bevel down the inside edges of the strips as well so they work better. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Without a kite? How can any boat perform other than in a mediocre manner without a kite? When you have all that open water...
Now it's not 'mis' information, it is my opinion as one who sails more on the sea than inland, that doesn't mean those nice icon boats don't work equally well on the sea, but this is a post from a guy with an RS500, something I do have quite extensive experience of having owned one for a couple of years, he misunderstood my recommendation because of all the icon 'chatter' you people litter up the place with, which you are entirely welcome to do, but don't expect everyone to think it is anything other than a tame easyboat for beginners on puddles. When you feel up to it, the sea will welcome you, and when you do, you'll want to go just that bit quicker and buy a nice boat with a big ballooney thing that makes sailing just that little bit more exciting. That is not misinformation it is fact, a fact the OP already knows because he has chosen a boat with a wire and a kite, not a widebody bathtub with just the two sails.. |
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peterthomas ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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levels of excitement can always be argued about but please GRF, do not suggest that the
ICON is in anyway suitable only for inland sailing. The reality is that it
performs superbly on the open sea.
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Oatsandbeans ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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icon, alto all these new boats with funny names confuse me!
The extra bit that you stick on, do you stick it on with the same stuff as the gasket? And does it stay there Ok and not fall off the first time the crew pulls the boat forward on the trolley.
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