Slot Gasket Replacement
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: Slot Gasket Replacement
Posted By: Oatsandbeans
Subject: Slot Gasket Replacement
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 10:44am
| I have to redo my slot gasket on a RS500. I have the pack of bits from RS and was considering the best way to do it. As they do it in house, the gasket never seals properly around the front of the board when fully down. In the past I have used tape on the outside to try to remedy this, but it is never 100% fixed especially if the board is not quite fully down. When I used to sail 470s we used to cut a bit of rubber glove and put it under the front of the gasket which made a great seal, but on the 470 the whole thing was screwed on with aluminium strips. I suspect that without this the rubber glove method may not stay on. A second problem is when the board is being retracted into the case the last foot of the board catches the gasket and drags it into the case. This flips out when the board is fully home, but it does knacker up this part of the gasket. Any body got any tried and tested solutions? |
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 11:25am
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I've replaced a couple of RS500 slot gaskets, so fully appreciate your problem, it was also compounded by the pivot system the centreboard used which permitted side to side movement, we managed to eradicate this by putting a compressible spacer in the centreboard pivot hole which forces the metal hangers firmly into the guides and also prevents the centreboard dropping through which it can do if say impacted with the beach or an underwater object.
So, as to the flushing strips, I used their kit which works OK, but added an additional front section which was cut to butt up to the leading edge of the centreboard. I also silicon sprayed the flushing strips to attempt to stop the rear bits being dragged up into the case. At the time I was being told by most of the regular sailors not to retract the plate anyway (we were windsurfers so did it all the time) as the boat works better with the plate down even in strong wind. Your best move? Do what we did, sell the 500 and buy an Alto it's a far far better boat, still has flushing strips but they don't seem to have anything like the issues the 500 had, I put it down to a far better foil than RS use. I'm coming to the conclusion that RS generally don't spend a whole heap of love on their foils and bad 'too thick' foils screw up flushing strips. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 11:50am
Its normally nicks in the trailing edge that cause the board to drag the slot gasket into the case... Make sure its faired properly & keep trap hooks away from it in capsizes 
------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: Oatsandbeans
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 12:11pm
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Thanks, yes I like the idea of another bit of gasket for it to butt up to. Was this under or on top of the main gasket? The board has to be retracted when you put the boat of the trolley, so its then when it pulls the gasket in and mashes it. I like the idea of making the whole thing more slippy, but I wonder if silicone is the best thing, maybe some fairy liquid. I really like the 500 so I'm not going to put off (and get an Icon) just because of some dodgy details around the centreboard case. I have got two boats of different ages and you can see that the latest boat is much better, the older boat needed a lot of messing about to get the board stiff in the case as it was 5mm wider at the bottom than the top, makes packing out the board rather difficult to say the least. |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 12:38pm
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Be careful where you put the silicone though. I know someone who managed to get it all over the board, apparently it was hilarious when he tried to step on it after a capsize ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 6:30pm
I didn't say get an icon, I said get an Alto it's the same sort of thing (single trap with centreboard) only just better at everything than an RS500. An Icon from what i observed at the FMO is more an inland craft for more sedate sailing, an Alto has all the hustle & bustle of crewed kite and trapeze sailing, much more exciting, like your 500 only less likely to fall over and a lot less weather helm. As to the slot, i cut a solid piece with a shape v which goes over the top at the front with a rounded section. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Oatsandbeans
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 7:04pm
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icon, alto all these new boats with funny names confuse me! The extra bit that you stick on, do you stick it on with the same stuff as the gasket? And does it stay there Ok and not fall off the first time the crew pulls the boat forward on the trolley.
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Posted By: peterthomas
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 7:13pm
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Relative
levels of excitement can always be argued about but please GRF, do not suggest that the
ICON is in anyway suitable only for inland sailing. The reality is that it
performs superbly on the open sea.
ICON 06 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 9:28pm
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Without a kite? How can any boat perform other than in a mediocre manner without a kite? When you have all that open water...
Now it's not 'mis' information, it is my opinion as one who sails more on the sea than inland, that doesn't mean those nice icon boats don't work equally well on the sea, but this is a post from a guy with an RS500, something I do have quite extensive experience of having owned one for a couple of years, he misunderstood my recommendation because of all the icon 'chatter' you people litter up the place with, which you are entirely welcome to do, but don't expect everyone to think it is anything other than a tame easyboat for beginners on puddles. When you feel up to it, the sea will welcome you, and when you do, you'll want to go just that bit quicker and buy a nice boat with a big ballooney thing that makes sailing just that little bit more exciting. That is not misinformation it is fact, a fact the OP already knows because he has chosen a boat with a wire and a kite, not a widebody bathtub with just the two sails.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 9:42pm
Yes the glue they supply is very good and more than you need, do the strips first, have the font bit prepared, then bung it on after. All the usual stuff applies clean everything thoroughly first, try and do it on a sunny day so the glue goes off quick, I tried to rub a bevel down the inside edges of the strips as well so they work better. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: blaze720
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 12:01am
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An Icon from what i observed at the FMO is more an inland craft for more sedate sailing, Oh dear we'd better re-design it then .... but just maybe not - we're not that sure if you'd recognise a pit-bull if it bit you every day for a year in the backside either  Mike L. |
Posted By: Oatsandbeans
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 7:28am
| Sorry I seem to stirred up a bit of a hornest's nest re my slip up confusing an alto and an icon, it makes the thread a lot more interesting though than boring old slot gaskets, maybe I should have just done a thread like " I am currently sailing a RS500 and am struggling with the extreme weather helm, and am thinking of changing boats, but I cant decide on whether to go for the Alto or the Icon, (I am a bit worried about how the Icon would cope as I mainly sail on the sea)." |
Posted By: scotsfinn
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 7:45am
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More thread stealing .... And back to the best boat to hit the market in years! ... iCON....... Oh dear, out of my inexperience, I've ordered the wrong boat and may have to sue the suppliers and designers, and maybe even Devoti (who clearly know nothing) as I thought and they assured me that the boat would be great for sea sailing Please mr GRF would you help me by acting as an expert witness in this action ..... clearly you know more than just about everyone when it comes to all things boating ....... You're this forums hero! ------------- Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744 www.blueseaconsultingllp.com |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 9:22am
well if you'd posted that about 5 years ago, then the answer would have been 'buy a cherub'. The Icon's en vogue at the moment, I hope for very good reasons... inland and on the sea. Either way, a two sail modern hiker that isn't a N12 sounds like a good addition to the sailing landscape, and given a good dose of optimistic, idealistic dreaming about what sailing my 4 year old and 8 month old might want to do int the future, I could quite see myself wanting one in a few years to compliment a Feva or a couple of Teras. ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 10:13am
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Well far be it from me to pour scorn on a new design, precisely the sort of thing I like to see and indeed a fine boat, not the only new boat at the FOM, the X1 also new, also with features and benefits to suit a given set of circumstances.
But we are all victims of our own circumstance and mine isn't given to wasting the efforts of a perfectly capable crew by having them just sit there to provide ballast especially when both parties get more enjoyment from a three sail reach or run. So I would ordinarily prefer an X1 even over the icon were it not designed to be an old fashioned propping up a clothes line style pole with which to operate it's ballooney thing. Had I been up at that FOM at the helm of the Alto of joy it would have been a very different set of results over the water, especially in those conditions in which the boat performs very well even without getting out on the trap. So a boat like the Alto gives you the best of both worlds, you can muddle along like an Icon, but then when the wind puffs up you engage another gear, it is imvho a far superior device for folk with actual motor skills and proper red corpuscles flowing through the veins. That doesn't mean there isn't a place for an Icon, it is a fantastic device for introducing folk to sailing and sail racing, bringing along the family, far better than consigning new folk to old wooden tubs, GP14's Enterprises and the rest of the old dross. In a perfect world there need only be a few boats and one of them could well be an Icon, but the Alto should also be present for the more adventurous types that can still enjoy the rush without necessarily being an ex squaddie or pro jock. It's a very wrong thread pitching the two against each other, they both have their place, but in this thread, it's about a single trap boat with a flushing strip and last time I looked the Icon was neither of those and it has a massive thread of it's own where you fanbois and girls can hang out and talk about how much pain you can suffer in your bottoms without whining.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: peterthomas
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 11:14am
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It’s simple really GRF, this thread would have remained entirely focused on slot gaskets had you not completely unnecessarily voiced an ill-informed opinion about the ICON. No one else has sought to compare the ICON to the Alto which I am sure is a very fine boat. If you are happy to post your opinions from a position of ignorance you should not expect them to go unchallenged. If you had tried the ICON on the sea your opinion might be valid, but I don’t think you have. I have corrected you because I happen to know from experience that you are entirely wrong. |
Posted By: boatbasher
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 11:20am
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The best solution is to buy a boat with a daggerboard. A far superior solution to the main foil for performance and far easier to maintain.
Some cretins find them difficult when launching off beaches but many of their fellow club mates with Lasers seem to manage with no problem. |
Posted By: blaze720
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 11:39am
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Hi Peter Don't be too hard on 'young' GRF ... he is as a young teenager when it comes to the dinghy thing despite outward appearence. Full of opinions on everything, expert in every field from 'marketing' to CFD, materials technology and corporate strategy ... as well as a helm skilled to the level the rest of us poor fools would do very well to follow.... well in his 'yoof' mind anyway. Occasionally we see some 'learning' coming through but .. don't hold your breath. The 'Also' is a fine boat, I've seen it on the sea over a weeks racing myself so I know it for 'sure' ?. Do I ? Well it is probably true but it is still an qualified opinion 'cos I have not sailed one myself. GRF, like many teenagers, engages 'opinion drive', takes to keyboard (or bar-stool) and mistakes / presents his views as 'fact' frequently without even seeing the subject matter. A reasonable test of GRF's judgements on any subject is to look at the 'GRF statement' and see if it makes as much or even more sense to 'read' when giving exactly the opposite position. For 'Icon is not a sea boat' translate it as 'Icon is a great sea boat' .... For 'My V2 is going to show the world where they are all so wrong' translate the saying of Chariman GRF as ''My V2 is going to show the world why they were so RIGHT' See .. its fun ! (and all too frequently more accurate !)It could be a new thread in its own right. Mike L. PS - Yes let's try and keep to the right subject matter now .... I'm off this particular thread ! |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 11:57am
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Why would I want to try a boat I don't actually like the look of?
It is just my opinion, don't you get it? Clearly not, just because I say the Icon is a fat body landlubbers boat for the timorous and entry level dawdlers, doesn't make it so, it makes it my opinion and hey guess what, the folk reading have their own opinions so there really is no need to engage bold type, you've woken up the Industry's greatest spinnaker dodger as it is.. You already have an Icon thread, last I looked the six of you have managed 142 pages and 119721 yawns to rival a Unix manual in excitement. It still doesn't mean any discussion about it has any place in this thread, because it doesn't have a retracting centreboard, flushing strips or a trapeze, so is not actually in direct comparison, I'd been polite about it up until now, but really? What a waste of good glass fibre and sailcloth, I wouldn't sail in one if you paid me. There happy now? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 11:59am
At the risk of getting even further off topic....a CB boat is much easier to handle through the wind range than a dagger boat IMO. Currently have a Laser and previously sailed all sort with swinging boards I know what I prefer....now if only I have the time and money to change class.... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: sailfree
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 12:03pm
Not many people like the look of you, but we still try and help you understand the truth. |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 12:34pm
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Why do we even argue with GRF. This is a man whose solution to helping an RS500 owner to replace their slot gasket, a simple task really, suggested they have to buy a whole new boat. A man who mocks boats without kites despite owning several assy boats, not being able to sail them, designing one with a platform wide enough to land light aircraft on, still not being able to sail with a kite, who now sails a Laser EPS. Would you really take advice from such a character!? Can we have a GRF filter put on the website so that when we want to be amused we can leave it off, but when we actually want to learn something, or just read some interesting, WELL INFORMED discussions we can filter his rubbish off the forum? I think that could catch on!
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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 1:29pm
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GRF isn't arguing. He gave full instructions how to replace the slot gasket on the RS500 and, gracious me, he's actually owned one and done it himself. He's just expressing an opinion. Right or wrong I don't see the problem really. It's the ones that take the bait that have a bit of a problem methinks.  |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 1:38pm
Amen, brother! This is an internet forum. A bit like 'Nam - there are no rules! Well, not many. |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 2:05pm
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Except Jimmy Saville jokes of course, they're off limits.
Are we far enough off topic now?? Really Graeme, you know you'd like an Icon, if in meant one of the DOD would grace the front bench once in a blue moon when it was sunny, they didn't have a hair appointment or they were between boyfriends and you wanted to show them better things in life than Facebook relationship statuses.... ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Nov 12 at 3:39pm
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