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    Posted: 06 May 11 at 9:13pm
Can I just say that I think the argument that the 49er should be removed because the Olympic bods cant control them is rubbish. Yes it's difficult at times, but have you never seen an F1 driver crash?

As for the woman's skiff, what the council need to do is make a decision so that people can commit. I agree, who wants to waste money on a boat that wont take you anywhere? If the committee went ahead and chose the Rebel (or 800) the Francis Peters out there can just get on with it. Sitting in limbo does no good.

But the Star? No it shouldn't replace the 49er, and nor should it replace anything else, no way. But we cant ignore it. Maybe we have to just accept that we can never please everyone but have as many events as we can without being silly, represent the major areas?

Or am I the one being silly? Wacko
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The point of the games is it is for our elite sportspeople and nowadays they are all professional.
 
A has been said elsewhere the games bring lots of funding to develop people in all sports up to Olympic level. Some of it brushes off at club level.
 
I am all for top sailors earning a good living from leadmines or extreme cat racing. Some of it makes excellent TV.


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Originally posted by Contender443

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Leadmines are sailed at a professional level, so should they be represented at the Olympics at all?
 
But all of our Olympic sailing team are professional sailors and most of them sail leadmines. Presumably they do that to make the big money.
 
There  are very few Olympic sports where the competitors are amateur.
 
So sorry this argument does not work.


I won't get into an argument about this as it's not relate the topic, but if it's the case, what is the point in the games at all?
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Originally posted by Foiling_Toff

Leadmines are sailed at a professional level, so should they be represented at the Olympics at all?
 
But all of our Olympic sailing team are professional sailors and most of them sail leadmines. Presumably they do that to make the big money.
 
There  are very few Olympic sports where the competitors are amateur.
 
So sorry this argument does not work.
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Originally posted by Foiling_Toff

Leadmines are sailed at a professional level, so should they be represented at the Olympics at all?


Athletics sould be out too, by that criteria.
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Leadmines are sailed at a professional level, so should they be represented at the Olympics at all?
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Originally posted by Mark Jardine

I'd be interested to see how many nations could justify the including of the Star as representing their national viewpoint.

Leadmines are sailed in more countries than skiffs... That would do it. And all female skiffs are hardly sailed at all anywhere.

If you look at ISAF class returns then skiffs and multihulls are the disciplines with the lowest International presence, so if you are representing a country where one of the other are not sailed how would you justify voting for them as representing your nation's interests?
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Easy Mike...the Brazillians stand a chance of winning a medal then
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Yes, the ISAF Council is appointed by ISAF Member National Authorities (MNA's) and members of the ISAF Council are required to represent their national viewpoint. See http://www.sailing.org/news/26160.php

I'd be interested to see how many nations could justify the inclusing of the Star as representing their national viewpoint.
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Originally posted by Mark Jardine

only to find that the 'old boys club' of the ISAF Council go and change things

Isn't it rather the other way round? Council is the democratic body representing all the nations, whereas the events committee is an old boys club which tends to be the same few people from the same few first world countries...
It just amazes me that they want to throw out keelboats, which loads of people sail everywhere, and keep in women's skiff, which practically no-one does anywhere.

Andy Rice says ". The OC report found that keelboats would have a hard time justifying their existence in an Olympic Regatta that would address the IOC’s criteria for inclusion" that may be true, but if so its true in spades, doubled and redoubled, for the women's skiff...

If I had to pick a slate it would be two boards, two lasers, two 470s, all single sex. One skiff, one Cat, one keelboat and probably the Finn for its sheer popularity. Keelboat could be mixed crew, match racing in the Elliots perhaps, so could multi. Not a great slate, but a damn sight better than the Events committee one as far as inclusion and demonstrated international participation is concerned.

Edited by JimC - 06 May 11 at 8:44am
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