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    Posted: 03 Mar 10 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

I'm not sure whether putting on a smaller rig will address most kids' (people's!) basic problem with the 29er - the lack of
inherent stability in the hull.


I could imagine that taking away the steadying (damping) effect of the bigger rig might make the boat more twitchy. Certainly that's been my
observation when e.g. people have reefed their L2k's - the difference betwen the gusts and lulls is still a problem. The only time it would certainly help
would be if you were consistently overpowered in steady winds, but that's not the problem I saw our juniors having when they were starting out in
29ers.



Although less weight high up would help make the boat a bit more stable.

I think if it is well designed then its great. Like Jim said, the Aussies get their kids into trapeze and skiff sailing early one, which probably explains
why they are so good in the 470 and 49er.
Anything that keeps kids sailing as the get older is a good thing imo
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Originally posted by rs405

It looks like they are filling the gap left by the Hobie 405s demise. Lightweights, asymetric, small sails and very twitchy! Probably a market for it.

That said it is probably just another hash together job like the 29erXX!

Isnt that what the RS feva was suposed to be for?

By reading the article (I know nothing of the boat) its aimed at small and young children with little experience with Spinaker's after coming out of (im assuming) Optamist's? adding a trapeze to the kite learning experience and the tippyness of skiff sailing isnt that a bit hard for kididie's or am I underestimating them or am I thinking of really small young kids.?

I know Trapezing is like "Uber" cool but I've actually gone back to saingle handed hiking boats (europe/CII) against the Vago....Ok still prefer the Vago in a big breeze

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Originally posted by Skiffybob

I think it's a great idea.


As you say, it's kool and doesn't look like a kid's boat, and when they get
bigger or more experienced, simply get them a new rig.


You'll then start to get 2nd-hand XS rigs coming onto the market, which
will enable parents to buy a cheap used 29er, and a used XS rig, so getting
their kids on the water without breaking the bank.


A well thought-out idea if you ask me. One which gets my
vote.


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

We do love to buy into a BRAND in the UK. Don't we
.......Baarrr! Baaar!

To be honest I'm uncomfortable with how the brand extension of the 29er
could affect other boats. All at minimum risk for the 29er.


Itīs called class development and evolution. Get used to it. (Time to be
flogged in the hay loft with a tennis racket and fed to the ferrets, Mr.
Sparrow - ah, memories! )

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Not wishing to deviate too much off topic, but in that release there was
mention of Ovington and the Open Bic, what's that all about then?

Are they distributing it now?

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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

We do love to buy into a BRAND in the UK. Don't we
.......Baarrr! Baaar!

To be honest I'm uncomfortable with how the brand extension of the 29er
could affect other boats. All at minimum risk for the 29er.


Itīs called class development and evolution. Get used to it. (Time to be
flogged in the hay loft with a tennis racket and fed to the ferrets, Mr.
Sparrow - ah, memories! )


Yes I know what it is but it doesn't mean I have to be happy with it. What the 9er is doing makes total business sense but I have the feeling that the XS and the XX will damage existing classes without developing into something worthwhile themselves. The XS is essentially a loss leader for the 29er and the XX is a brand enhancer / media tool for the 29er. This all ends in lots more 29er hulls being sold, good news for all concerned with them, but maybe bad news for other classes.


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

We do love to buy into a BRAND in the UK. Don't we
.......Baarrr! Baaar!

To be honest I'm uncomfortable with how the brand extension of the 29er
could affect other boats. All at minimum risk for the 29er.


Itīs called class development and evolution. Get used to it. (Time to be
flogged in the hay loft with a tennis racket and fed to the ferrets, Mr.
Sparrow - ah, memories! )


Yes I know what it is but it doesn't mean I have to be happy with it. What the 9er is doing makes total business sense but I have the feeling that the XS and the XX will damage existing classes without developing into something worthwhile themselves. The XS is essentially a loss leader for the 29er and the XX is a brand enhancer / media tool for the 29er. This all ends in lots more 29er hulls being sold, good news for all concerned with them, but maybe bad news for other classes.

That's all very well, but if the classes aren't delivering what the sailing public wants... It's time to remove the established protectionism endemic in this sector. Open it up. Times change and so does sailing...
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Originally posted by zailor

Originally posted by rs405

It looks like they are filling the gap left by the Hobie 405s demise. Lightweights, asymetric, small sails and very twitchy! Probably a market for it.

That said it is probably just another hash together job like the 29erXX!

Isnt that what the RS feva was suposed to be for?

This XS thing will have more in common with the 405 than the Feva. The 405 was GRP and had a propper, though small rig. The rig had spreaders and the hull was designed to take rig tension. This also meant that the boat could handle a trapeze. The result was a useful platorm for teaching the boat set up and trapeze skills that are transferable on to the 29er etc. Untill recently the 405 was a feeder class for the 29er, but now the class doesn't really exist as far as I can tell, and this XS thing will fill that gap nicely. 
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Originally posted by ellistine

I reckon kids think that trapeze boats
'are like soo kewl'.
The ones at our club certainly thought our Vago was cool
but I supposed when you've been sailing a Topper for you
entire young life...


Mister Nick is not amused by your stereotypical attitude
towards children.... We are not all illiterate mongrels.

Anyway, I'm 14 and this new rig sounds amazing! I would
definitely like to use it when it comes out, would make
the transition into 29er's far easier. I just think its
likely to cost a fair bit.
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I guess it goes head to head with the V3000, but if the market is there, why hasn't that sold faster?
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