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    Posted: 30 Nov 09 at 2:52pm

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Originally posted by alstorer

I think it also had problems in that a "difficult to sail
welll, high performance two man hiker" is a tiny niche to aim for. Whilst I
love the B14 (which is arguably more difficult), it's not like there's massive
numbers of those have sold. The 59er would really have needed to kill the
B to succeed, but it is a slower boat- hardly stood a chance.


... and those that did buy one couldn't decide if they wanted to put a wire
on it or not. This indecisive little pimp not only questioned whether the
boat was designed correctly, (if it was, why pimp?) but it opened up a
whole can of worms on anti-competitiveness for those with our without a
string. Quite frankly anyone interested would have gone straight for a
B14 instead- they'd killed off the single string version 10 years ago.

Good luck with the revival- best thing you can do is get those boats in
pseudo-early retirement back on the open market for new owners to
appreciate all the more than their originals... then maybe, you never
know, some of you might just decide to upgrade to new craft in a few
years and inadvertently become the pilot light for whole heap of new boat
sales.

Thanks for the critique and input lads. .

As for the B14 vs. 59er thingy, I'm not going there. The two boats have their respective advantages/disadvantages. As for being slower than a B14, it's interesting to note that the 59er was faster upwind in restricted waters than the 49er, due to it being better to roll-tack. Naturally, downwind, there's no doubt the B14 is faster, but the 59er is easier to kite launch and the drops are much cleaner due to the shute. I guess I'm happy with what I've got.

As for increased boat sales or further manufacture, I'm not sure. I'm certainly not holding my breath. Dave Hall is apparently very supportive. John Bennett is doing the donkey work at the moment to revive the class and I'm just using my mouth. .

Jim.



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I wasn't trying to start a B14 V 59er arguement :). I was just saying it's a major factor in why there's so few 59ers around.
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I think the 59er looks like a great boat, i for one would love one as a second boat.  The problem is finding one!  The other problem is the price people ask for a second hand racing dinghy with no class back up.  (I can see it from their point of view guessing how much they probably paid for it new!)  The 59er looks perfect for me and my brother to sail when we do the handicap events,  Does anyone fancy lending us one??!!
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Originally posted by alstorer

I wasn't trying to start a B14 V 59er arguement :). I was just saying it's a major factor in why there's so few 59ers around.

No axe to grind Al!!  Be happy with what you've got - a good boat.

 

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

I think the 59er looks like a great boat, i for one would love one as a second boat.  The problem is finding one!  The other problem is the price people ask for a second hand racing dinghy with no class back up.  (I can see it from their point of view guessing how much they probably paid for it new!)  The 59er looks perfect for me and my brother to sail when we do the handicap events,  Does anyone fancy lending us one??!!

If you fancy coming over to Munich on a cheap sleezy jet flight next summer, you can try it on the Ammersee. No probs, beer and brezen all inc. I'll be going up to Belgium and North France a couple of times to link up with the skiffbenelux.com sailors. LucM did have a go on the Ovingtons demo boat, but plumped for an RS400.

Keep in touch,

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Post Options Post Options   Quote patj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 09 at 6:46pm

I'm delighted to read of the class association revival as the 59er is our "must sail" boat, admired in the past at the Dinghy Show.

I don't want to scramble around on wings or racks or dangle on a wire, just hike, and we're overweight for many double handers so the 150kg is easy.

Maybe the class association revival will bring more boats out of hiding and hopefully onto the market.



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Great stuff Patj!

Where do you sail? Hae you got in touch with John Bennett? Tel. No.“s on in
the 59er class section under "Calling all 59er owners"

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Post Options Post Options   Quote skslr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 09 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by Slippery Jim

. I'll be going up to Belgium and North France a couple of times to link up with the skiffbenelux.com sailors. LucM did have a go on the Ovingtons demo boat, but plumped for an RS400.

 

Well, as you already mentioned Luc I would like to correct your statement:

Luc did not just "have a go" but raced the demo boat for some time with several interested crews "having a go" in BENELUX.

However, neither him nor us others of SKIFFBENELUX got convinced by the boat. Luc himself "plumped" as you would say for an RS800 instead.

If you want to help your "class", maybe you should move a little bit more carefully when "using your mouth" in general...

Or, even better, win some races with it at SKIFFBENELUX

 

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Originally posted by skslr

If you want to help your "class", maybe you should move a little bit more carefully when "using your mouth" in general...

That seems like a very aggressive and offensive reply to a quite harmless and inoffensive comment... Perhaps you should rephrase it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote skslr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 09 at 1:27pm

It was not meant to be "offensive" or "aggressive" in any way, the "using mouth" expression was partly taken from an earlier post by Slippery Jim .

Can I hide behind needing some more cross cultural training for now?

Even if my wording is not appropriate I still believe the point needed to be made and could be helpful for the future, sorry.

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