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    Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by Merlinboy

Originally posted by andy_cherub

Over there the 12's beat good I14's around the track! Once in the know-how, 12's are actually pretty quick upwind!!!

 

Going off that GPS track quick isnt a word i would use for up wind!

And are you actually saying that the 12 is faster then the 14 round the course Andy??  



So how fas does an I14 go upwind then?
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Well it depends on the wind tom and who is sailing it! If it was me sailing then about an average of 2 knots in 20mph wind (swim to much)
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Well it depends on the wind tom and who is sailing it! If it was me sailing then about an average of 2 knots in 20mph wind (swim to much)


Hmmm, this race is looking promising! So say 15kt of wind? What could you do? 11 knots?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 4:23pm
If i'm honest Tom i dont know we dont have a GPS unit! It feels bloody quick but then how it feels and what it does are 2 different matters! There isn't a massive difference once we are in the groove between us and a 9er up wind.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Skiffybob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 4:37pm

Who gives a flying f**k about how fast a boat goes upwind. Going upwind is simply the trudgery needed to get to the top mark and have some fun!

A Bentley's a fast car for getting you from A to B, dut I don't see people buying them to "have fun" in.

I guess it's all down to your priorities. If you want something fast so you can get to the showers and bar first (and buy the round), get something long like a 49er (or actually an FD or Thames A rater), or actually just get a cat.

If you want to come in with a big grin on your face, sail something short and light.

As I say, it's all down to your priorites. Nobody's claiming that a 12 is the fastest boat at all times and in all conditions, but you have to admit that 20kts average over 1km is pretty impressive for any monohull.



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Originally posted by andy_cherub

Once got 31.2 knots outa my old cherub during a 45 knot squall at weymouth - that was fun considering the boat always nose dived!!!

I miss that boat! Never knew when it was gona pitchpole, even upwind!

Oh well, 12ft for LIFE!!

These 12s' have still got to go nearly 50% faster to get as quick as andy's old cherub

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HAHA! good answer Bob!

& my old cherub may be up for sale soon - if only I had some spare ££ id buy it! & that speed was only the max speed, it was before the days of........... ohhh top average over X distance, was like 4 yrs ago! lol!!! Still - havent been that fast since, ive been told im not pushing hard enough!! So this season will tell

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Post Options Post Options   Quote NeilP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 5:39pm

I must be the most committed sailor in the world ever. According to Skiffybob (who must be right cos he sails a skiff and is therefore a member of the only sailing fraternity worth listening to - most of whom are around half my age and yet  know more than I could ever hope to), I've been sailing for the last 28 years without ever having had any fun at all! Why oh why do I bother? All that time I spent blasting round courses in my FD was clearly wasted cos it wasn't fun.

How did all you young skiffy types and Cherub types acquire such an enormous amount of knowledge and insight in so few years??

No FD? No Comment!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tack'ho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 5:52pm
So thats sorted then: upwind in less than 10kts with the no 1 rig on a tuesday when the cock crows twice and moon is full but the aginst the tide a 12 is quicker than an I14. Phew I'm glad we sorted that out it's been keeping me awake!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iwsmithuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 5:57pm

I think someone should do a survey.

What percentage of threads started on this forum end up as a discussion between the same people as to whether a cherub/12 or 14 is fastest upwind/downwind/round a course....................

Most of them I'd say.

 

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