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    Posted: 17 Jan 07 at 4:43pm

Originally posted by HelenF

Thanks for the feedback - always good to hear.
Check out the current (January 12) and next (January 26) issues. For cat
sailors there's a test of the TopCat and 'Magnificent Machines' which
features some radical multihulls, while if you're after multi-class dinghy
events there's full reports on the Bloody Mary and Grafham Grand Prix.
You might miss those bits if you just glance at it in the newsagents!

Cat sailors should also check out Hugh Styles' recent trapezing tips
series, with lots of cat-specific tips. Unless you think you've nothing to
learn from an Olympic Tornado sailor...

 

Thing is Helen, the Bloody Mary does not allow Cats. 

I agree with Shadowman, Cat sailing is not getting the appropiate exposure IMO.  

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I agree with shadowman that Y&Y and even Dinghy Mag do little in reporting grass roots of cat sailing. Even with Helen sarcasm and trapezing tips from Hugh Styles, which you already probably covered the year before the mag only wants to report the in fleets and the big budget manufactures. 

So to finish on Helen comments that we might miss bits while glansing at the newagents. I hate to say thats all you need to do if you are reading the multi section looking for grass roots cat sailing.

These are just my thoughts

 

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What size of event do you need to have before Y&Y will give more than a cursory glance?

If we have 60+ boats at the Hurricane Europeans this summer, will Y&Y send someone to cover it or, better still, enter a boat? I know it's Northern Ireland but flights are cheap and, if it helps, I'll pick you up from the airport. Canvey is only 50/50 at the mo so you could borrow his boat. (Mark, the commute from Algeria to Canvey must be a cow-son).

Didn't catch the Hugh Styles article but I'm guessing that it went along the lines of "Crew lower than helm, trap high in medium winds and waves, low in a flat breeze. Forward upwind but move aft downwind to keep the trim. Crew and helm stand together to reduce windage." If there was more rocket science to it than that then I apologise.

To save the busy reader time in the newsagents here's the Ben Ainslie guide to hiking in full: "Lean out in the gusts."



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Originally posted by English Dave

What size of event do you need to have before Y&Y will give more than a cursory glance?

If we have 60+ boats at the Hurricane Europeans this summer, will Y&Y send someone to cover it or, better still, enter a boat? I know it's Northern Ireland but flights are cheap and, if it helps, I'll pick you up from the airport. Canvey is only 50/50 at the mo so you could borrow his boat. (Mark, the commute from Algeria to Canvey must be a cow-son).

Didn't catch the Hugh Styles article but I'm guessing that it went along the lines of "Crew lower than helm, trap high in medium winds and waves, low in a flat breeze. Forward upwind but move aft downwind to keep the trim. Crew and helm stand together to reduce windage." If there was more rocket science to it than that then I apologise.

To save the busy reader time in the newsagents here's the Ben Ainslie guide to hiking in full: "Lean out in the gusts."

 

I think I read that in a Magazine somewhere

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Bloody Mary was highligted in response to dinghy sailors wanting non
single-class event reports, not cat sailors!

As for whether we'll send someone to cover cat events — you'll notice
that we rarely 'send' people to cover any class regattas. Instead we need
some help from class associations and event organisers to submit Clubs
and Classes reports and keep us up to date with what's happening in their
season — the 2006 Racing Classes Review guide listed a massive 175
classes, there's no way we could keep on top of all them otherwise!

If you've got a big or anniversary event coming up, let us know — send us
an email (editorial@yachtsandyachting.com) letting us know when and
where and who to contact. Likewise, if you have some news that you think
our Multimad, Roll tacks, or other columnists should know about, let us
know and we'll pass it on. We WANT to hear from you!
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Originally posted by HelenF

Bloody Mary was highligted in response to dinghy sailors wanting non
single-class event reports, not cat sailors!

As for whether we'll send someone to cover cat events — you'll notice
that we rarely 'send' people to cover any class regattas. Instead we need
some help from class associations and event organisers to submit Clubs
and Classes reports and keep us up to date with what's happening in their
season — the 2006 Racing Classes Review guide listed a massive 175
classes, there's no way we could keep on top of all them otherwise!

If you've got a big or anniversary event coming up, let us know — send us
an email (editorial@yachtsandyachting.com) letting us know when and
where and who to contact. Likewise, if you have some news that you think
our Multimad, Roll tacks, or other columnists should know about, let us
know and we'll pass it on. We WANT to hear from you!

 

THe thing is that we did send you umpteen reports (form the Grafham Cat open for example) that ended up on the Website, but never made it into the Mag - How did that happen ?

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Thats because you never took out a big advert.

I know our fleet use to send in reports all the time, but never really made the grade until we sent in a funny report from our own Major Eyeswater. Still makes me laugh today

 

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Funnily enough I did read the bloody mary report in the que. But then put it back. As for the trapezing article: its one of those things that to get better at you need to be on the water not reading about it in the bar. Yes there may have been useful coments for some, but if you've read one of the articles on trapezing...

One of the articles I used to find interesting to read was the 'Dinghy Forum' written by both cat and dinghy sailors if I remember.

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Originally posted by charlie1019

One of the articles I used to find interesting to read was the 'Dinghy Forum' written by both cat and dinghy sailors if I remember.

Yes, Dinghy Forum was great, but my favourite bit of the mag was Pit Stop; I even used to save those pages - sad, I know...

 

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Helen

Not only did we put umpteen reports from GWSC on the web site, we also emailed you before pointing out that the event was attracting a huge turn out and that there were about 5 championships being decided.

If you want an example about how you are not covering grass roots sailing, the revival of the A Class in the UK is striking and not seen that noted at all.

Can you tell us who writes your regular 3 page features with pics on RS nationals and equivalent if you don't send reporters to events ?  Notice you are happy enough to send an ex employee of the company in question  to write a report on its new holiday site.

If you really want the feedback and leave us with a warm feeling, then maybe your cat correspondent should post in response to these crits. Y&Y is undeniably the premier mag but I am clearly not alone in thinking that it is getting out of touch with its core readership.

 

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