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    Posted: 03 Nov 22 at 4:27pm
I wouldn't describe a 200 as "twitchy" really. They are a bit roly-poly like most wide, short boats though punish errors a lot less than many racing dinghies.
Obviously you won't get away massive boat handling errors like you can in a Wayfarer for example, but everything is fairly progressive. If you can sail any racing dinghy well, you're likely to be able to manage a 200 without many issues. Which is of course why they are popular and make a good boat for the Endeavour.
For their size, they do actually carry a heavyweight helm quite well - a Phantom or Finn sailor might be a bit big for the front but would be fine helming with a lightweight crew.
I owned one for a while, and my main impression of them was that the spinnaker was a bit small and they felt a bit gutless downwind - but that was from the perspective of a regular Fireball sailor who'd also recently owned a B14!! Ultimately though, it's the small spinnaker which makes them successful. They are about the only one of the "new" (post 1990s) crop of doublehanded boats which work round the cans at all those local muddy puddle clubs so many of us sail at.
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I borrowed a 200 on a couple of occasions after selling my N12 to emigrate, and off the back of 15+ years of 400 sailing.  I was surprised how much closer to the 12 the 200 was in feel, not much like a 400.  We enjoyed it though, and no doubt if we'd done more it would all begin to feel normal.  They are certainly uber popular!
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I'd say it's a bit like the Firefly in that it's easy to sail till it bites you in the bum when you get the boat handling wrong. In a bit of breeze, I couldn't get the hang of using little enough of the quite big rudder, so we swam. And the more we swam, the more nervous I became and the worse it got. That's not a fault of the boat, it's me cocking up.
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I don't doubt that the story about the skeg being to damp things down a bit is true, the skeg being such a very unusual feature in a boat without rowing in its task list.
And I'm also of the opinion that RS got it pretty much right, lively enough to be interesting in an adult's race boat, but not so lively as to put people off.
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Fair comment, and the sailors entering the Endeavour are amongst the best we have. 
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Originally posted by Do Different

In some ways it would be more levelled in heavy boats to minimise the difference in crew weights and perhaps boat unfamiliar to the entrants. Squibs or FFs ? Just saying. 

Everyone is allowed an opinion... but holding the dinghy champion of champions event in a *keelboat* is pretty weird. 
The 200 is pretty good in that both an oppy sailor at 45 kilos, or a OK sailor at 90 can find someone to sail with. 
I could have chosen someone more 'on weight' to sail with, but preferred to do it with my championship winning crew. 


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Well, we won the endeavour sailing at 145 kilos, so it carries weight pretty well. I did the nationals at 126, finishing 2nd, Elliott and Martin were 140. 

It's twitchy compared to a GP14, but not that twitchy compared to a N12. For a race boat, rather than a 'trainer racer' like a 2000 I would say it is about as unremarkable in it's handling as is possible to get. 
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Maybe my boat/ experience background, but I’ve always found the 200 quite docile.  Best form your own decisions rather than rumours.
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The story that I heard was that the prototype 200 was so twitchy that they ended up putting the skeg on to dampen it down a bit.
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It does have a rep for being twitchy though and is not a good weight carrier. A twitchy boat with a kite on an inland venue sounds challenging for those who haven't sailed one before?
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