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    Posted: 10 Aug 22 at 5:57pm
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


Originally posted by Brass

Really, advantageous manoeuvre of a boat by skilful use of legal kinetics should be applauded, not criticised.

Big smile


Now all you have to do is sell that at your informal club, and you'll get a big hand.

Well, yes  LOL I'm thinking that I will have to try a different technique downwind...
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I'm thinking that I will have to try a different technique downwind.


Maybe you could put some video of the top notch Laser guys in circulation to shift the culture around.

Radical steering, to grab hold of every little 9 inch wave. A surf doesn't have to be a 20 metre ride with spray flying back in your face.   Its just 'rapidly accelerating down the front of a wave' (rule 42.3(c)). That could be for just 1 or 2 metres.
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LOL 

But is that stuff strictly legal? I suspect it is within 'the letter of the rules' but I want to race 'within the spirit'.
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Mate, they're Olympic Medal Races, with the best rule 42 judges in the world all over them.

Its how the game is meant to be played.
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Good point, well made  Smile
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Originally posted by Brass

Its how the game is meant to be played.


Well, its going to be smack on the limits of what is permissible. As for how its meant to be played, well, who decides that anyway? Isn't RRS42 regulation and enforcement more about the art of the possible than anything else?

I think for those of us who are amateurs back from the leading edge there are two considerations. The first is that we should endeavour never to exceed the rule, which is difficult enough, and the second is to figure the comfort zone we personally want to sail in.

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

LOL 

But is that stuff strictly legal? I suspect it is within 'the letter of the rules' but I want to race 'within the spirit'.

I do totally disagree with this statement.There is just the rule. It’s used about laws too. 

There is the letter of the Law/rule. The ‘ spirit ‘ of the law/rule is not a thing,  it does not exist.  Smile
If someone decides to sail within a rule that’s their choice, it does not mean they are sailing to the ‘ spirit’ of the rule . 


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Okay, accepted but the RRS are not 'The Law', The Law doesn't have a 'Rule 2 "FAIR SAILING

A boat and her owner shall compete in compliance with recognized principles of sportsmanship and fair play. A boat may be penalized under this rule only if it is clearly established that these principles have been violated. The penalty shall be a disqualification that is not excludable" At a National Championship I would not have a problem pushing the rules to the edge as I know that everybody else would be doing the same but, in this context, I'm racing a bunch of mates, most of whom don't race 'seriously'.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Okay, accepted but the RRS are not 'The Law', The Law doesn't have a Rule 2

FAIR SAILING A boat and her owner shall compete in compliance with recognized principles of sportsmanship and fair play. A boat may be penalized under this rule only if it is clearly established that these principles have been violated. The penalty shall be a disqualification that is not excludable


I think the very point of rule 2 is that it tells us not to go off philosophising after the 'spirit of the rules'.

We are required to find 'recognized principles', and 'clearly established' breaches.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

At a National Championship I would not have a problem pushing the rules to the edge as I know that everybody else would be doing the same but, in this context, I'm racing a bunch of mates, most of whom don't race 'seriously'.


How you back off the competitiveness among your mates is absolutely up to you.

But just by way of comment, it seems to me that using strong legal kinetics is different from giving a mate a pass on a close cross, or sailing out from under when a mate sails blithely into a luff trap.

The first is just good sailing. The others are giving consideration to mates.

What I was driving at in my earlier posts was hosing down complaints about breaking the rules, not going easy on your mates.
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