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Rupert 
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 Topic: Tower trapezingPosted: 10 Mar 20 at 1:57pm |
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Dougal, people said that the Contender was as hard as singlehanded sailing could get, and that the 600 and Musto were unavailable. All it too ("all", he says) was a development of new techniques and a willingness to share them through the fleet. This has shortened the learning curve to a point where talented sailors can learn, as well as the superstars.
So, somewhere out there is the next step, the next "impossible" boat to give the next jump in performance. Excluding foils, of course. Personally, I like a boat under me, so I'll carry on in my archaic bubble! |
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 10 Mar 20 at 5:28pm |
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Rupert, How right you are! The early Mk 1 Rondars could be a pig and if you really had an early one, with the x-profile traveller track running right across the cockpit, then you will still be carrying the scars to today! Yet the Contender was a game changer, then in quite quick succession you had the 600, then the 700/MPS - each changed the game in it's own way. But the important thing in all of this - as I stressed in the talk, was that these superb boats represented something of a step function. So yes, you could tweak the MPS or, as I alluded to, come up with something even more extreme, but the reality of the sport today is that further step functions just aren't there anymore (unless you subscribe to the I-GRF belief in building boats from exotic materials such as floatarium).The proof comes from the International Moths who went down this route, as boats got ever more extreme (I was there when Ian Ridge made a hull out of the remains of a Unicorn hull) and in a recent thread elsewhere, it was widely accepted that these super-skinny lowriders, with an alloy rig, were the hardest of all the dinghies to sail....but as you pointed out, people did master them eventually. However, without suspending the laws of nature, I can't see where anything else is going to come from! Dougal
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 10 Mar 20 at 5:51pm |
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Just seen a video advertising the 2020 Waszp nationals, looks a bit like racing short board windsurfers, only the more talented sailors can actually make them go and they have a very narrow wind range. Brilliant if you can sail it and if the wind plays ball, desperately frustrating if not.
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JimC
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Posted: 10 Mar 20 at 7:28pm |
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I can see a number of places where there could be significant improvements. Aerodynamic drag is generally pretty awful, there are gains to be made there. Further developments is more gust responsive rigs could make it practical to run bigger rigs with little penalty, and I'm sure there are benefits in hull shape. And whenever new materials come along there's a benefit as things that were impractical become practical. Carbon fibre masts are made out of what was unobtanium in the 1960s... Also, TBH, none of the current crop of performance singlehanders strike me as exceptional boats.
The biggest reason why I don't see any major developments in the short term is simply that high performance boats are out of fashion. |
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Riv
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Posted: 10 Mar 20 at 8:48pm |
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The initial reason for the post was the creation of a spectacle. I've been thinking about what Sport means, and concluded that Sporting activities that are televised for the mass market are now not sport but branches of the entertainment industry. Considering only the top level of Sailing Entertainment that is the Olympics and the need to drive views/clicks/hits to profit from it; then why not allow extreme sporting aspects such as tower trapezing only at the top level? Falls will be more interesting and frequent. Kiting is in the Olympics why should not dinghy sailing at the elite professional level not follow suit in creating a risk based spectacle? Should not elite professional Olympic dinghy sailing demand the consistent demonstration of the highest physical skills as in Olympic gymnastics?
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Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74.
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Rupert
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Posted: 10 Mar 20 at 9:03pm |
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Hmmm professional wrestling has great viewing figures, but isn't an Olympic sport. The 100m is one of the major events of the games, and is simple in the extreme. Not sure gimmicks make an Olympic sport, but simple, human endeavour and greatness.
For me, the great sports are those with history. The athletics don't chop and change, saying that the 100m is out of date. Stick with some classic events where history shines through. |
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423zero
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Posted: 10 Mar 20 at 10:25pm |
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I keep picturing the boat flat out, then runs aground, not sure I would want to see it.
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Sam.Spoons
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It isn't a sport at all, at least not from any definition of 'sport' I have ever heard 
The attraction of the Olympics is in the variety and diversity of sporting endeavour on display, reducing it all to a spectacle is missing the point (yes, ok, I know that's what to was when the Greeks and Romans were doing it but.....). There are plenty os 'spectacle sports' available without destroying the principles of Olympic competition.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 10 Mar 20 at 10:40pm |
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That's bad enough when trapezeing 'normally'
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423zero
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Posted: 10 Mar 20 at 11:54pm |
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This would fit in the British Olympics, alongside, Cheese rolling and Shin kicking etc.
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