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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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My frustration is that the RYA could do a lot more to be seen to engage with the adult dinghy racing scene. A number of the key issues have been raised in recent threads, notably;
Too focused on Olympic pathways System spits out non-top performing youths No push for adult race coaching Inconsistencies in PY system But there are a number of big positives which a dinghy lobby group would not be able to grapple with; National dinghy show Regional support for clubs if they ask Management of PYs, Rules, conduit for funding, lobbying for clubs in disputes My impression is of an organisation with good intent that is bogged down by the diversity of waterborne activities that it tries to represent, and by the inertia of an organisation that is not driven by the markets. From a dinghy racers perspective the make up of the RYA management committee does not suggest that there is anybody on board that is likely to improve matters; http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/chiefexec/Web%20Documents/BOARD_PROFILES.pdf |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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The RYA does adult race coaching just in a different format. They arrange club race coach courses which can give the more experienced racers the ability to coach in your club. We have run a couple at Hunts and got some good people from it who are not interesting in becoming DIs. Having a squad system would not work for most adults, they don;t have the time to commit but will happily make it for their kids. With regards to the PY system it is based on the data they get. They cannot really have confidence in some of the numbers though so perhaps that needs to be addressed.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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But many of those posts in recent threads are the same old nonsense from the same few people. It doesn't make it any more true, but it may be that a constant drip of unmoderated lies, insults and allegations of corruption causes folk with a more informed knowledge of the situations to simply give up on the topics.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I was definitely an RYA sceptic until my hand was forced a little as I did a DI course. I then met our RDO and got involved. There are some good people (RYA employees) doing some great work away from RYA towers.
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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At our club I race an RYA National Class dinghy, where the RYA adminster the class rules, issue certificates and sail numbers, and train our measurers. My club has benefited from a £50k Sport England grant facilitated by the RYA providing new changing rooms, we have a fleet of poly boats to train our youths, facilitated with Sport England grants. When I go racing, I race to World Sailing rules of which the RYA are the MNA, and three of our club races use PY numbers, administered by the RYA. A group of our youths have been sailing RS Teras as part of the South West Regional youth squad, and each March a whole load of us go to the National Dinghy Exhibition; I doubt if a renegade organisation could do all of this, in a world where few people are prepared to step up to the mark. My disappointment is that there remain issues where the RYA could improve, not just in delivery, but in how they communicate with the adult racing dinghy fraternity.
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GarethT ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 714 |
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As a father of 2 sailors who have gone through the squad system, I've always been intrigued to know what people mean by being 'spat out''.
Is it not being selected? |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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It wouldn't be a forum without a conspiracy theorist or two..... besides human nature means that any alternative organisation would go through all the same infancy issues that have affected dinghy racers the RYA have long since put behind them. Case in point- I don't think anyone who is properly informed on how PYs are recommended actually thinks there's any collusion in the room, not anymore at least..... it's impossible, there's nigh-on zero empirical evidence in play, meaning rightly or wrongly, it's just based on statistical data alone. A new organisation would end up 'four legs good, two legs better'... assuming it's successful enough to survive more than a year or two of initial enthusiasm. So far the poll indicates that a new organisation's 'approval rating' is sub 25%.... in other words, it would be doomed before it started!!! Edited by turnturtle - 25 Apr 17 at 11:47am |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Dont forget there have been many inititives tried to bring similar classes or like minded individuals together.
Anyone remember FastSail or TASA?
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transient ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
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What I find alarming is that 52% think the RYA doesn't need changing. I'll stick my neck out here and say there is not one organisation anywhere that couldn't benefit from some changes. |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Seems crazy talk to me, evolution not revolution is the way. Nothing stays the same forever even it wants to, external factors will see to that. Sailing could easily drop out of the Olympics as that event itself becomes more and expensive and possibly unsustainable in it's current form.
Being completely selfish I would say that the RYA does for me a mass of admin that I have no interest in, regulatory lobbying, competence certs for those who need them further abroad.................. Loss of funding to chase medal targets could well be a blessing in disguise. Putting the focus back on simply sailing as fulfilling exercise in it's own right and forcing more local initiatives and self reliance. I wouldn't necessarily say that "money is the root of all evil" but it does bring it's own demons to the party.
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