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    Posted: 06 Dec 16 at 9:44am
We don't have access to IC's the only consistent comparison we had when we were trying to set the bar, was a well sailed MPS which over the water would give as good as it got against our Raceboard 9.5's weather dependant, which meant at either end the board would get it, but in the middle if the MPS played a downwind blinder he got it, if not the boards would, but so often the course we race around, triangle sausage meant the MPS didn't always get to maximise the kite so the board handicap increased.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Well the idea of the PY is to encourage mixed sailing craft to compete together and as I'm sure is the case with 90% of even you bandit loving dinghyists, it's the taking part we enjoy the most. I just wish there was a more inclusive attitude to young windsurfers from our sports alleged governing body.

Next year it will be forty years exactly since a few of us raised our hands to agree to the RYA becoming our governing body and one of the promises was more access to sailing clubs and their waters, in return for them being able to take on the mantle of instruction from the then IWS, lots of us feel they failed to deliver that access and other than delivering an OBE award winning insurance service have done little for the adult grass roots.

Having boards race with dinghies under PY can be good fun, but the course will influence the results, as will the wind strength. That might average out over a series, or it might not.
There are other issues. When you get a crowded mark rounding, it seems hard for boards to either get fair treatment because they don't point and get killed by dirty air, or to fulfill their obligations to other competitors. I think it's generally just a bad idea except on open water with few marks and obstructions.
Or a few times a year as a novelty.
The spreadsheet is the least of the problems, it only matters once we're ashore.
Much better to get the boards out on a different evening?
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Starts are a challenge too.  On Saturday I just caught sight of Gareth's son in my peripheral at about 40 seconds to go and suddenly realised that he must be racing if he was in that position at the end of the line.  40 seconds later and we were starting just to leeward of him as he pumped off.  And that's the other challenge: dinghies that move, windsurfers that sit still!
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Then you have the dreaded (by dinghies and raceboard sailors alike) Formula One...... sorry Windsurfing. They take the on/off characteristics of a sailboard to the extreme, they are either floundering around at 2 knots or flying along at 20+.... Slower than an Opti off the plane and faster than a Moth (by a good margin) on it..... 1662/520 anybody?

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The formula sailors would love our club ....... Plenty of comfy chairs and a bar to watch the racing from whilst waiting for the wind to be just right (a bit like Goldilocks).


My son has been really pleased with the welcome he's had from all the dinghy racers. The only dissent has been from 2 old ladies who never race anyway!
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Originally posted by GarethT

The formula sailors would love our club ....... Plenty of comfy chairs and a bar to watch the racing from whilst waiting for the wind to be just right (a bit like Goldilocks).


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My son has been really pleased with the welcome he's had from all the dinghy racers. The only dissent has been from 2 old ladies who never race anyway!

Are you sure they're not closet FW sailors?
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