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    Posted: 18 Nov 16 at 6:24pm
"Foiling for everyone"

Knee-jerk response...

Not at that price
Not on my small lake
Not if I want some proper competitive racing

Another niche craft, in a niche market, with not very many niches left.

But mildly interesting.

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Originally posted by Do Different

Guessing that although the moths have theirs leading if the length of this craft allows it to work in that position it will save a lot of complicated linkage and allow the main foil to be raised and lowered as a unit.

They say

WHY IS THE WAND ON THE TRAILING EDGE OF THE MAIN FOIL?

The F101 has its control wand fixed to the back of the trailing edge of the main foil, as opposed to the mounted at the bow which is where Moth’s mount  the foil. There are a number of advantages to the trailing edge position, the most important of which is that the wand measures the ride height of the boat irrespective of pitch. This important factor can help to eliminate the porpoise effect which many beginners experience when learning to sail a Moth.

Originally posted by Oinks

"Foiling for everyone" 

Knee-jerk response... 

Not at that price 
Not on my small lake 
Not if I want some proper competitive racing 

Another niche craft, in a niche market, with not very many niches left. 

But mildly interesting. 


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Edited by Sam.Spoons - 18 Nov 16 at 6:53pm
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Originally posted by iGRF

....] They'r talking about it on facebook on the sailing jihad group where there's the same number of luddites throwing cold water on the subject as you might expect here, lots of tooth sucking at fifteen grand, but other than that I think everyone would love a go on one.


I'd love a go, but fifteen grand is real money.
It's the old critical mass thing again, you need similar things to race against.
I note their website talks of the perception of the foiling moth as being very hard.
I've not sailed one myself, but I've heard that the most difficult thing is persuading someone to let you have a go! Trouble is of course, all the cheap foiling moths tend to be early ones which maybe don't work so well.
And no one in their right mind is going to lend a good one to someone like me who is blatantly too heavy and not the most agile.

Why is a tri a better platform than a cat? Are there any cats with 'proper' wand controlled foils as opposed to curved boards?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 16 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

I'd love a go, but fifteen grand is real money.
It's the old critical mass thing again, you need similar things to race against.
I note their website talks of the perception of the foiling moth as being very hard.
I've not sailed one myself, but I've heard that the most difficult thing is persuading someone to let you have a go! Trouble is of course, all the cheap foiling moths tend to be early ones which maybe don't work so well.
And no one in their right mind is going to lend a good one to someone like me who is blatantly too heavy and not the most agile.

Yup, sounds about right

Why is a tri a better platform than a cat?

I think the tri vs cat thing gives them a few advantages, for starters the correct windward heel is programmed into the angle of the outriggers so no need to get it right, just sit to windward and sheet in. 

Are there any cats with 'proper' wand controlled foils as opposed to curved boards?

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"Why is a tri a better platform than a cat?"

Not sure, probably more stable, but at a guess three hulls are going to have more drag in the water or thro the air, than two hulls. So can't see any advantage in terms of efficiency.
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Those outriggers are significantly smaller that a cat hull (or the centre hull) so look as if they have much less windage and weight. More drag in the water maybe but it's a foiler so they won't be in the water when it matters?



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Post Options Post Options   Quote piglet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 16 at 7:56pm
Tri or cat if it only has one supporting foil then the structure above the water is irrelevant.
The tri doesn't look much different to a Moth with foam swimming sausages in the wing tips.
Foiling for the masses must be good thing, albeit only for some.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oinks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 16 at 8:29pm
"Foiling for the masses must be good thing, albeit only for some"

Well then... the promo blab should say "Foiling for some"

Foiling for the masses might be a good thing (if that's what floats yer boat) but realistically, it ain't gonna happen.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote piglet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 16 at 8:45pm
Alright then, foiling for all those the right weight, quick enough, sufficient ability and sufficient disposable, and who regularly sail on a suitable piece of water.
Sounds a bit like windsurfing to me.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

 

Why is a tri a better platform than a cat? Are there any cats with 'proper' wand controlled foils as opposed to curved boards?
The UFO.  

This F101 looks a big boat for the typical boat park.


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