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    Posted: 28 Jan 16 at 12:19pm
The Phantom must drop back a little - no way is it a sub 1000 boat in most conditions. 300 is significantly quicker most of the time

OK may be due to drop back a little too ?. Again - they cant be as fast as a Laser in most conditions.

Scorpion must be due to get nearer 1030 (Great Lakes no. is 1027 I think ?)

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Merlin... It needs to be 940..
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Merlin... It needs to be 940..


You know you want one!
I've had a go, I think they take a lot of sailing to get anywhere near their current handicap, relative to the 400. Maybe that would not be so true on a pure w/l course.
They are a tough boat to compare, because they are not really similar to anything else.
I wouldn't buy one for the PY, I'd buy one for the open circuit they have, and the talent you get to sail against.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by iGRF

Merlin... It needs to be 940..


You know you want one!
I've had a go, I think they take a lot of sailing to get anywhere near their current handicap, relative to the 400. Maybe that would not be so true on a pure w/l course.
They are a tough boat to compare, because they are not really similar to anything else.
I wouldn't buy one for the PY, I'd buy one for the open circuit they have, and the talent you get to sail against.


Merlin vs 400 is an interesting one.  Merlins tend to be nomadic and those that travel tend to be good, going on very good.  At club level, the gap is probably closer than it appears to be at open handicap events.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Merlin... It needs to be 940..
You know you want one!


No, although I did give it a go, alternately as helm and incompetent crew, I documented it somewhere it was fun, but no, not for me if I want to be bitchy I'd say I like to win by fair means not foul...
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by RS400atC


Originally posted by iGRF

Merlin... It needs to be 940..
You know you want one!


No, although I did give it a go, alternately as helm and incompetent crew, I documented it somewhere it was fun, but no, not for me if I want to be bitchy I'd say I like to win by fair means not foul...

If you want to be sure you've won fairly, get the same boat as the other guy.
These days whether I've enjoyed a race has very little to do with what any spreadsheet says.
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Done that as well, so it's light = I win, it's windy = he wins.
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Originally posted by getafix

Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by iGRF

Merlin... It needs to be 940..


You know you want one!
I've had a go, I think they take a lot of sailing to get anywhere near their current handicap, relative to the 400. Maybe that would not be so true on a pure w/l course.
They are a tough boat to compare, because they are not really similar to anything else.
I wouldn't buy one for the PY, I'd buy one for the open circuit they have, and the talent you get to sail against.


Merlin vs 400 is an interesting one.  Merlins tend to be nomadic and those that travel tend to be good, going on very good.  At club level, the gap is probably closer than it appears to be at open handicap events.


and the one  vaguely comparable boat is the 400  despite  less adjustable rig, assy kite  etc ... 
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Vaguely comparable..yes. The 400 will blow a Merlin away under kite, on a broad reach in a good breeze. But around the cans, well sailed it would beat a Merlin on the water...but not by much.
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Originally posted by Jeepers

Vaguely comparable..yes. The 400 will blow a Merlin away under kite, on a broad reach in a good breeze. But around the cans, well sailed it would beat a Merlin on the water...but not by much.


vaguely comparable in terms of  size / design characteristics (i.e. not being a  'heavy'  'conservative'  boat like  a GP wanderer or wayfarer - all of which are good at doing what they do ) and being a 3 sail hiking boat  that  two average or bigger than average people can sail ...  (vs  the 200  / miracle etc)
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