Outside assistance

   Here's an example of outside assistance, it's effect and a subsequent successful protest.

It was back in the days i was travelling beyond the ice wall to the land of nose bleeds, Derwent Water, (the lake district one) I needed a result for the Ntional series and was doing OK but there was a young local hot shot kid, fast light and quicker than me board speed wise so all he had to do was follow me about, which he'd done a couple of times and it was the last race.

Last beat to the finish he'd just got ahead again and was covering, all i could do was sail him past the mark in the hope that being stupid as he was he'd keep the cover on too long and I could dive back to the line. It was working exactly has I'd hoped when a rib came out with his family in and they started screaming at him to tack, tack! johnny tack! you've gone too far! they cried, So we both tacked for the line crossing together and it was a split decision that I felt went his way because of his local hero status, but..

They carried on crying after the protest for clear outside assistance, I felt bad about it, but, he would have lost left to his own devices and i hadn't driven half way across the known universe for my health.

Edited by iGRF - 10 Dec 15 at 11:15am

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iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Outside assistance Posted: 10 Dec 15 at 11:10am
	Here's an example of outside assistance, it's effect and a subsequent successful protest. It was back in the days i was travelling beyond the ice wall to the land of nose bleeds, Derwent Water, (the lake district one) I needed a result for the Ntional series and was doing OK but there was a young local hot shot kid, fast light and quicker than me board speed wise so all he had to do was follow me about, which he'd done a couple of times and it was the last race. Last beat to the finish he'd just got ahead again and was covering, all i could do was sail him past the mark in the hope that being stupid as he was he'd keep the cover on too long and I could dive back to the line. It was working exactly has I'd hoped when a rib came out with his family in and they started screaming at him to tack, tack! johnny tack! you've gone too far! they cried, So we both tacked for the line crossing together and it was a split decision that I felt went his way because of his local hero status, but.. They carried on crying after the protest for clear outside assistance, I felt bad about it, but, he would have lost left to his own devices and i hadn't driven half way across the known universe for my health. Edited by iGRF - 10 Dec 15 at 11:15am
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Noah Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611	Post Options Post Reply Quote Noah Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 15 at 10:06pm
	Dunno what the rules say, but I would take a pragmatic view. I.e. Did the interference help the competitor to reach the finish line sooner than (s)he would have otherwise done? In the case of the mobile phone I would suggest No. In the case of the sponge it would depend on whether the boat had significant water to get rid of - was the sponge used?
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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 15 at 10:06pm
	Assistance too difficult to spell, maybe?
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NickM Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 328	Post Options Post Reply Quote NickM Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 15 at 9:37pm
	Actually I see Rule 41 refers to "Outside Help" rather than assistance - before somebody points that out. I expect there is an Oxford Dictionary definition of "help" too.

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 15 at 8:06pm
	The safety boat retrieves your sponge after a capsize and hands it back. Outside assistance?
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Presuming Ed Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641	Post Options Post Reply Quote Presuming Ed Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 15 at 6:24pm
	Yes. Oxford dictionaries definition of assistance Definition of assistance in English: noun [mass noun] 1The action of helping someone by sharing work: ‘the work was completed with the assistance of carpenters’ More example sentences 1.1The provision of money, resources, or information to help someone: ‘schemes offering financial assistance to employers’ ‘she will be glad to give advice and assistance’

NickM Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 328	Post Options Post Reply Quote NickM Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 15 at 5:49pm
	A light hearted question: A sailor discovers mid-race that he has taken his mobile phone afloat with him and stops mid-race to pass it over to the Committee Boat. Has he received outside assistance?