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    Posted: 20 May 15 at 8:47pm
learn to gybe as its quicker to do very broad reaches rather than trying to run
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This is a puddle, the courses are inevitably run fetch fetch fetch, very often one handed almost always wind only in one area, it's not like open water where you can play the angles.
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I've had boats with swinging spreaders so that they are pushed out of the way by the sail going down wind, but they need to run on floppy style rigs, really, as Jim says. I simply can't see reversed spreaders controlling the mast at all. Diamonds, maybe, with separate spreader free shrouds... back to prewar technology, that would be. You might remember it?
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All because the class won't consider carbon.. I have no recollection of dealing with tin, I have't used a tin mast since 1981. They are so agricultural.
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Hi Graham
The Phantom has a carbon mast and aft facing spreaders and we sail very broad reaches and gybe. Basically we run reach with the wind coming over the windward corner of the transom.Dont do what the laser does make the gybing work for you, come in inside him at the mark and claim room.
The mast is deck stepped so needs support.
Nothing to do with it being an ally rig just the way the boat was designed.
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As a top notch coach said to me, "There are two fast ways downwind; reaching and by the lee", obviously on the lake you don't have the waves that would assist you in driving the boat by the lee, but in my Solo I can sail quite deep in flat water with less kicker than most, a bit of windward heel and not a lot of plate.

In terms of technical assists; you might consider reducing your shroudbase, if you are allowed to, either by moving the shroud attachments forward, having 2:1 blocks on the lower shrouds, or by having adjustable fore and aft tracks, these would get the boom further forward.

It is possible to make the spreaders "limited swing" usually this can be achieved with a clevis pin behind the spreader, or wiring, to stop a major mast inversion (which is not just a metal mast problem).

However I think that the classes that have swing or limited swing spreaders at least let off their leeward shoud tension, with levers or multipurchase blocks.

One interesting device produced by Selden's (for 470s I think) is an extended gooseneck, where the pivot is some 2" aft of the mast, the effect is for the boom to square off far more when it is against the leeward shroud, the main downside as I can see, is that it you tension the foot while the boom is squared of, and forget to let it off when sheeting in, you will do considerable damage, but this might be prevented with a screw to limit the clew to the black band.

Having had a quick peruse of the Solution rules, all of this might be illegal (together with your spreader proposal) because you appear to be extremely limited to what you can do to alter the boat from the "as supplied" configuration.

Probably the best way of learning to sail deeper will be experimentation, practice and time on the water.  When I look at the back end of the fleet, these boats tend to be sailing with too much kicker, are sailing too square, and are not particularly dynamic ... I am not suggesting cheating, but you do need to search for wind and adjust to changes in direction and velocity.
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He whines like a girl if I get 'dynamic', they don't like it down that lake and these little boats react so well to a bit of standing up and windsurf style plate roll and boom correction and or gybe then sheet.

Then again after his latest dodgy bearing off below his proper course to force me to tack off during a mark rounding maybe I'll not be as merciful next time..
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Originally posted by Woodburner

All because the class won't consider carbon.. I have no recollection of dealing with tin, I have't used a tin mast since 1981. They are so agricultural.


I was thinking of carbon masts, 1930's style - grown naturally....
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To go deeper let the forestay off a certain amount, let the kicker well off and the top of the sail will be forward. However deep reaching will be most beneficial. And you can do it on a lake, most phantoms do.

As for the dynamics thing I think you'll find it somewhere in the rules, possibly rule 42 or something
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The rig tension thing by the way allows the book to push the shroud forward but if it gets windy then it ain't going to help and to be honest you may have a problem with the mast jumping out of the step
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