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    Posted: 20 Apr 15 at 9:13am
Hauling the sail up with the halyard running thru the cleat will quickly wear the cleat jaws. I make sure the halyard is running beside the cleat until the sail is up, then flip the rope into the jaws and finish pulling up the last inch or two. I have two clam cleats and a vectran halyard. If it's seriously windy I haul down on the cunno after hoisting the main, then let it off & re-tension the halyard. Stops the sail slipping down under cunno, but makes it a right nightmare dropping the main after sailing. I just hate those racks - I find them too fiddly. Next mast will probably have a halyard lock.
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The mast and hence cleat are pretty new (15 months) and the halyard is routed so that it doesn't run through the cleat when hoisting.  Shouldn't have worn out yet.

My first boat (a laser 2) had a hook rack for the jib halyard and it was a right pain in the bum - but that was because the halyard also set the rig tension - I could never get enough rig tension on.  Not an issue on the main of a boat with independent rake and rig tension adjusters.

Various knotty solutions will work for now - JohnJack's slipknot under the cleat appeals, and yes a picture would be a help!  Should think it's essential with a D12 halyard; didn't think D12 would cleat at all.


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Of course the best way to get D12 to lock in a V type cleat is to give it a core, easily done by sliding in a length of the same rope in the area where it cleats, 2 min job, but essential to get a hollow core rope to cleat fast.
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In the area WHERE it cleats?  Or in the area JUST BELOW the cleat?

A dyneema halyard with some way of locking it in a v-cleat would be easier than making one the exact right length to hook over a hook rack!  Plus you only need a mast length of expensive thick stuff with something cheaper (and only strong enough to get the sail to the top) to pull it through.  I'm thinking 4mm and 2.5mm.

I have 2.5mm dyneema twinners and they cleat fine without a core; but only due to the amazing metal jawed Mach2 cam cleats, which will grip anything and have your finger off in an argument (sadly no longer available).
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Nick, if you are thickening D12 with a core then you need to do it for the region in the cleat + an inch or two on either side. This is standard practice on spinnaker halyards but I have to say I dont know many people using D12 for main halyards.
I have found that boats which rely on standing rigging to provide mast pre-bend are suitable for hook racks and those which rely on main halyard tension for pre-bend need a cleat such that additional purchases can be added to the halyard once nearly up to assist with increased tension to induce bend. The RS600 being a case in point.
One solution sometimes used is to use two cleats or pack out the top end of the cleat to get a better bite angle.
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Originally posted by NickA

In the area WHERE it cleats?  Or in the area JUST BELOW the cleat?



In the area where it cleats, providing it's long enough just cut 20-30cm off the end and slide it inside the cover, the cover is still the bit in contact with the cleat but you will be amazed how much better it holds.
Used this on a Phantom when I had one and it never slipped, and you can need lots of cunningham tension on a Phantom when it blows.
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If you thicken the halyard with an insert please remember to taper the insert by cutting away strands gradually

This makes the insert roll over you sheave block at the top easier and prevents creating a hard point where the rope thickens that massively reduces the strength of the rope.
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Had the same problem with a Phantom and I decided to minimise the amount of rope available to stretch by having a small cleat at the top of the mast. The other benefit is there is no extra compression through the mastonly when you decide to apply heaps of cunningham.
Further when the affected peice chafes you can just cut it and you only lose six inches of halliard rather than reaching the point where it runs the full length of the mast twice and is too short even then.  Have used this on my last three carbon mast and works fine. The tail is just attached to a small peice of elastic at the base to keep it tentioned and tidy it up.


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I would have thought a Jav would have a wire halyard....I am sure mine did. Why not have an external halyard and the cleat at the top? Tasar has a wire with a 'pip' on it and a metal 'V' cleat 3" from the sheave at the top.There is only 6' of wire to stretch. Byte has a similar solution but with string and a cleat. The only problem is that you need to change your glasses to see up there and on the Byte which runs with loaded cunningham it tends to jam.
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