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    Posted: 03 Apr 15 at 10:38am
Think FRP was the late '80's
There certainly weren't any FRP GP's before they the Series 2 'revolution' with the double floor. Think Speeds built them. Though Don Marine did produce 1 or 2 GRP hulls with a double flood which I think they called the MkIV or V. There was in fact an Enterprise prototype produced about the same time with a double floor but it was refused by the CA. The Enterprise is a big class with a small rudder, ie change is very slow, and adoption of anything new takes an age. Having not sailed one for four years, and now sailing a Scorpion I was surprised at how big and lumbering one felt when I jumped in one a few weeks ago. Also compared to the Scorpion the hiking position is terrible. Esp with all the sharp deck parifernalia where the crew is meant to sit out. The GP is a bit more comfortable, only real issue is the weight. 124kg off the top of my head. Still recommend them to any new ish sailors that come to our club.
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I concur that FRP is quite useless as a description.

To evaluate the material and likely capabilities you need to know
what resin system was used
what the predominant fibre type in the layup is
whether the shell is cored or not and what with

eg a modern Cherub or Moth would be epoxy carbon foam sandwich. The old Holt enterprises were polyester/csm/uncored. Between these two run a whole rainbow of construction methods with various pros and cons depending on the job in hand.

The basics are that if its uncored or coremat than its going to be heavier and weaker than plywood, and if its polyester then its going to go soft far far quicker than epoxy.

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Fab100's list of Ent alternatives is uncannily like my own and I have owned or considered most of these.Lark:used to have one. I quite liked it but my wife/crew has a bit of a nasry,flappy Spinny phobia.ditto Scorp. N12 .I have had three, still got a Crusader. We're way too heavy for it at 24 stone combined and not really agile enough now at 107 years combined,most of that skewed towards me, and this also seems to apply to the Firefly,Grad and probably RS 200.The 400 is a lovely boat but too much of a beast,I fear.GP14? The decent non wood ones are pricey, just like the Ent and they are fiendishly heavy to lug up a slipway.I am not blindly loyal to Ents, but in the conditions that suit them they are still a thoroughly nice and rewarding boat to sail.
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I have a good condition plastic Ent in the numbers 16,000 plus, it does not let a thimble full of water in, but I suppose their is bound to be one.
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Foam sandwch is the key.
A solid GRP Ent which was down to weight would probably be fine racing against wooden ones of similar budget, when I was a lad, we raced a lot of Ents which were seriously overweight.
On flat water at club level, with half decent sails, it might embarass a few people in the right hands, same as a good sailor in something like a Vision can go way too quick for other people's comfort.
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Originally posted by jonh

Fab100's list of Ent alternatives is uncannily like my own ......The 400 is a lovely boat but too much of a beast,I.....


I think I'd be more likely to tip over in the Ent than the 400!
But horses for courses, who do you have to race against?
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I'm pretty sure we couldn't hike a 400 hard enough for long enough and Chew is a fair sized lake.The handicap fleet is quite a mixed bag,including cherubs,fireballs.scorps, 200s,finns a few skiffs but not that many slow handicap boats other than wayfarer,byte, europe and we all start together, so things can get pretty strung out.The only two person fleet is the Flying Fifteens these days.
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