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    Posted: 09 Mar 14 at 10:15pm
I'm quite happy to have a boat that isn't covered in scaffolding or has me swinging about like a teabag, thanks  Tongue
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Originally posted by Dan LXIX

I'm quite happy to have a boat that isn't covered in scaffolding or has me swinging about like a teabag, thanks  Tongue

the Blaze may have some 'scaffolding' on it...but upwind when the breeze is on it is a joy to sail past Phantoms and Lasers who are busy pulling all sorts of strange faces whilst you perch there nice and comfy on the rack.... Then you come to the reaching legs and the speed comes on. You don't get the same sensation of speed as you do in a boat where you are closer to the water but then again you also stay a lot drier as you plane past them (or pull away more).

As our very on 'blaze720' would say...give it a try, you might be surprised!

My only real complaint about the Blaze was that it was a little 'sticky' in lighter winds although I am told the sail design (which has changed since I left the class) has sorted that out.
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If you decide to go for a Vandercraft boat watch out for the side deck going soft, there were quite a few at Hunts that suffered because the bracing in the tanks as not in the optimal place and the deck developed a lot of flex. Ovi sorted this out though.

Aside from that they seem to be every bit as fast as the Ovi (with equivalent equipment on board).
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I'm not going to bang on about the Blaze ... we I would but most know about the boat by now.

What I will say is perhaps try anything that might suit.  It may sound trivial but it is a bit like looking at houses or cars really.  Until you have been around or tried a few yourself it is very difficult to really know what might really suit. 

Otherwise it is really like asking football fans which is the best club in the land  ... and yes they will have a few views on that as well.  Don't 100% trust any of us - we know what we like already !  Wink

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Originally posted by jeffers

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If you decide to go for a Vandercraft boat watch out for the side deck going soft, there were quite a few at Hunts that suffered because the bracing in the tanks as not in the optimal place and the deck developed a lot of flex. Ovi sorted this out though.
Aside from that they seem to be every bit as fast as the Ovi (with equivalent equipment on board).


Actually Paul, Vandercraft sorted that out, not ovi. It was sorted by about boat 1160 or so (well that's the last one I know that did it anyway). The problem came because of the joint between basically two flatish sheets of foam sandwich and the curve joint. Vandercraft solved it by putting a formed piece behind and bonding it in place. This repair can be done retrospectively though it's not easy. You only need to press on the area where you would sit and if it flexes stupidly there's a problem. If there are cracks in the gelcoat it doesn't mean there's a problem with flexing, you need to push it. Mine has cracks along that area but it is still rigid as anything.
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Okay, so I wasn't being serious with that comment, but I'm not sure how suited either the Blaze or the Contender are for inland waters, and although we only sail handicap I'd rather sail something that has at least two of the same on the water.

That is one of the advantages of the Laser (current boat for me with an 8.1) for a small club.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

Originally posted by jeffers

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If you decide to go for a Vandercraft boat watch out for the side deck going soft, there were quite a few at Hunts that suffered because the bracing in the tanks as not in the optimal place and the deck developed a lot of flex. Ovi sorted this out though.
Aside from that they seem to be every bit as fast as the Ovi (with equivalent equipment on board).


Actually Paul, Vandercraft sorted that out, not ovi. It was sorted by about boat 1160 or so (well that's the last one I know that did it anyway). The problem came because of the joint between basically two flatish sheets of foam sandwich and the curve joint. Vandercraft solved it by putting a formed piece behind and bonding it in place. This repair can be done retrospectively though it's not easy. You only need to press on the area where you would sit and if it flexes stupidly there's a problem. If there are cracks in the gelcoat it doesn't mean there's a problem with flexing, you need to push it. Mine has cracks along that area but it is still rigid as anything.

Good to know that. The guys at Hunts who had Vandercrafts said it was a perennial issue (one them had 3 hulls under warranty precisely because of this, the side deck flexed alarmingly even when pushed by hand on one of the hulls). Good to know the guide hull number where it was rectified by the builder.
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I like both the Blaze and Contender, but at the upper end of their respective weight bands I also struggle with the thought of using them predominantly inland.  Plus a Contender is simply too heavy for a 21st century boat.  :-)  Given the choice of just those three, I'd swallow up the handicap and get on with sailing a Phantom.  

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Hi
1277 would be perfect for you, 60mm diameter Superspar mast, North 16plus sail, with a Newish P&B as an option and spookilly I am selling her. See Phantom website or Apollo duck.
Self promotion aside the phantom is a great boat for us normal size people 6ft plus and over 16 stone and does real;y well inland hope you find what you want.
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Originally posted by jeffers


Originally posted by maxibuddah

Originally posted by jeffers

Back on topic.....
If you decide to go for a Vandercraft boat watch out for the side deck going soft, there were quite a few at Hunts that suffered because the bracing in the tanks as not in the optimal place and the deck developed a lot of flex. Ovi sorted this out though.
Aside from that they seem to be every bit as fast as the Ovi (with equivalent equipment on board).


Actually Paul, Vandercraft sorted that out, not ovi. It was sorted by about boat 1160 or so (well that's the last one I know that did it anyway). The problem came because of the joint between basically two flatish sheets of foam sandwich and the curve joint. Vandercraft solved it by putting a formed piece behind and bonding it in place. This repair can be done retrospectively though it's not easy. You only need to press on the area where you would sit and if it flexes stupidly there's a problem. If there are cracks in the gelcoat it doesn't mean there's a problem with flexing, you need to push it. Mine has cracks along that area but it is still rigid as anything.

Good to know that. The guys at Hunts who had Vandercrafts said it was a perennial issue (one them had 3 hulls under warranty precisely because of this, the side deck flexed alarmingly even when pushed by hand on one of the hulls). Good to know the guide hull number where it was rectified by the builder.


Well let's put it this way Paul, I know that 1160 had the problem but not sure about later boats. I know that 1175 doesn't do it so somewhere close to 1160 was the last to experience it. I guess it done of things that take a while to come through the system and of course a while load more were built in the interim.
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