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    Posted: 29 Jul 13 at 12:51pm
It seems that a lot of people want to be customers/consumers rather than members of a club.
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Originally posted by GarethT

It seems that a lot of people want to be customers/consumers rather than members of a club.



yes please....
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and how much more are you prepared to pay for the privilege?

It would certainly help sailing live up to 'elitist' banner it gets given. Those that can afford to will be able treat the paupers like hired help!!

(note: not accusing anyone on here of such rudeness, but I have witnessed club members treating volunteers like sh*t because they think they've paid for a service!)
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Originally posted by GarethT

and how much more are you prepared to pay for the privilege?

Good question....

My current membership including a boat park space is £400 per year.  This includes a premium for professional safety cover, something that was put to the test a few weeks ago, and thankfully proved to be very, very effective.  You'd have to prise my dead hand into the air at the AGM to vote for a subs reduction in line with reduced professional safety cover.  It just would never be worth the saving.

How much would I pay to get out of race duties..... probably £50 per duty.  That's what I plan to reverse sell my duties for next year if I get press-ganged on dutyman.  

Although I reckon it would create far less animosity if the membership fee was £500 and any member could earn back up to say, a £200 credit on the following year's renewal by working as a race officer / assistant race officer a few times.

As these credits are not income, it would therefore not be required to be listed on tax return, although I'm not sure how much HMRC are monitoring black economies of local sports clubs.... do they really care that someone gets fifty quid for essentially the same thing as baby sitting?     A formal contract complicates matters, especially if it involves PAYE....


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But if you are being paid to take on a role with safety responsibilities, and something goes wrong, are you more liable as a 'professional'?

I suspect these things could have the potential to get very complicated should they ever be tested.
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I guess our club has liability cover for the pro rescue already, as most would through a combined liability policy already.....

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RYA training centres must have insurance that covers instructors, coaches and the like, including 3rd party liability.
the same, but different...

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Originally posted by winging it

RYA training centres must have insurance that covers instructors, coaches and the like, including 3rd party liability.

so in other words, clubs which are official RYA training centres offer better protection for their members in terms of compo culture?
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Almost certainly.  To my knowledge there haven't been that many claims - yet.  But as a Principal I have to sign to say I have seen our insurance policy and am satisfied with it.  Pretty scary.  They are now also introducing training for club Principals so they can better cope with this stuff.  Long overdue I think.  Most members won't realise, but I now do a written risk assessment for every activity I run.

I am a volunteer both at Hunts and at Sailability.  I love Sailability, but get pretty cheesed off at Hunts sometimes.  I did have a member not long ago who was surprised at being asked to unrig her club boat, plus another who blatantly told me she was sending a kid on a course for cheap childcare.  It doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen.

The other side of that is when you get people go from complete beginners to decent instructors completely through your system, or youths who you train up almost from scratch who go and do well in the wider world.  Not a financial reward, but better.


Edited by winging it - 29 Jul 13 at 5:12pm
the same, but different...

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Originally posted by GarethT

I have witnessed club members treating volunteers like sh*t because they think they've paid for a service!)

Just because you have paid for a service does not give you the right to be rude to the person providing that service, that is just ignorance. 
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