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    Posted: 13 Jun 13 at 10:50am
Originally posted by alstorer

actually, I'll bite. If you're driving your car, unless the road is an extra wide one that could be three lanes wide, if you're overtaking even a single cylist you need to be almost entirely straddling the centre line. period. Especially if they're doing 20-30 and you're doing rather more than that. If they've got any sense they'll not be hugging the gutter (that way drains, potholes etc lie) and they'd really, really appreciate it if it didn't seem as if your wing mirror nearly hit their elbow.
If, like when I was on my way to work this morning, there's someone farting about reversing their car on the other side of the road, taking up all of that lane, then wait a few seconds, rather than try to squeeze past  and push me onto the verge. You utter 4r5e.
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Other cyclists: don't be tits. I appreciate it is a minority of you run red lights, cycle on pavements and don't use lights, but you're t055ers that aren't going to pay any heed to these pleas anyway, being very similar in attitude to the german car driving idiots that keep coming close to killing me on my way to and from work. For some reason your behaviour translates to what we "all" do on bikes, so I can confidently assert that everyone who drives a german luxury car is a speeding, red light jumping, cyclist squeezing moron I think?

Two cyclists side by side however is a different story, the outside one should get a good clattering with the wing mirror by law.
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if the road is too narrow for two cars and one bike (ie you can't safely pass a single cyclist without going into the other lane), why are a pair riding two abreast so offensive to you? You need to go slightly further over, but the length of road they're occupying is reduced.
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Classic cyclist suicide bid in front of me this morning. Roadworks on left, road is narrowed. I'm just behind a learner who is having trouble setting off past the roadworks. Cyclist shoots down the inside of both of us and then cuts across ahead of the learner, who has not the slightest clue they are there. Very lucky cyclist not to get flattened...
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Originally posted by alstorer

if the road is too narrow for two cars and one bike (ie you can't safely pass a single cyclist without going into the other lane), why are a pair riding two abreast so offensive to you? You need to go slightly further over, but the length of road they're occupying is reduced.


Because two cyclist riding abreast is not legal on:

rule 66
never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends

If you live where I do. In a rural location... that has become some sort of cycling race track over the last 3 years. Packs of cyclists are a danger to themselves and car drivers.

Recently I over took a cyclist and a good half a mile further down the country lane I had to pull in as the road narrowed to allow an oncoming vehicle, that was already in the single lane section to come up the hill. The cyclist, in full training mode, was so absorbed in his efforts that he saw none of this until it was far to late for his brakes to make any impact on his high speed. He passed me and the on coming car as all the vehicles cross. Squeezing between the space between me and the on coming car. With a whisker to spare. Eventually he came to a halt 20 yards further down the road. And then proceeded to rain expletives at me... shouting why did I stop!!!!

If he had been splattered by the on coming car where do you think the finger of blame would get pointed first? At the car drivers. I'm afraid cyclist need to take a long hard look at there behaviour on the road. And stop pulling the... I'm the one that gets hurt card. Neglecting the fact that the car drive is most likely also hurt... just mentally scared for life... instead of physically.

I have to add that the road craft of MTB's seems far superior to the Bradley Wiggins wannabes, well certainly around my way.

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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow


Because two cyclist riding abreast is not legal on:

rule 66
never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
 
In the Highway Code, only parts that are marked MUST or MUST NOT involve definitions of legality. Rule 66 makes a recommendation, but fails to define "narrow" or "busy"- is a narrow road a two lane road with narrow lanes (see my post above for why this should make not the blindest bit of difference to your ability to pass) or is it a single track road (where yes, riding two abreast, especially round bends, is moronic).
If the road is busy (in both directions) with not enough space to pass a single cyclist, then again, two abreast should make no difference. If it is a larger group, then two abreast should in fact make it safer to overtake. Seriously. Think this through.

 Packs of cyclists are a danger to ... car drivers.
 
This irks me.


Recently I over took a cyclist
he's a moron
 
 
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clearly the answer is cycling on the road ought to carry mandatory 3rd party insurance.

That way the 'he said, she said' & saddlebags at dawn can be decided by groups of insurance firms and solictors making a pretty packet out of the situation- thus creating jobs, paperwork and soft industry.

If bad cyclists were then consistently unable to get insurance, (poor claims history) then the troublesome little sh*ts would be forced off the road.... just like the troublesome car drivers are who also can't get insurance with their drink driving and dangerous driving convictions.


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Hi ALL
Another thing, why will people spend hundreds on bikes and not buy any lights! Especially Paper boys/girls. Parents should be shot for not making sure the kids have lights and not wairing all black to leave the house at 5am in the winter.
Both Wendy and I have come very close to hitting people on bikes because we did not see them.
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Surely they would just ride uninsured, same as loads of car drivers?
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Most "serious" cyclists will have 3rd party insurance. Anyone with an expensive bike will likely have more comprehensive insurance, which will include 3rd party. Anyone with British Cycling membership has 3rd party insurance. Anyone with CTC membership has 3rd party insurance.
 
The cyclists that are less likely to have to insurance are those riding clunkers and junkers in town...
 
Riders without lights scare me in winter. Part of my commute goes along unlit, not really wide enough, cycle paths. In nasty weather, all of a sudden out the gloom appears this black shape weaving all over the bloody place...
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Originally posted by Rupert

Surely they would just ride uninsured, same as loads of car drivers?

I'm sure they would, but at least then they could be prosecuted and given community service... maybe washing the buses for the bus w**kers.
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