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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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launched and sailed proper job for the first time today, all systems seeem to work just fine, racing at west mersea on friday noght so we'll see how we get on.... |
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lacsftw ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 16 Jun 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
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Hi Folks, (& simono and fartymark), If your boat is 7126 (not 7612...?) I used to own it for a few years and raced it in the solent. RTI races, round the cans in a couple of Warsash Spring Series and a bit of Cowes week a few years back. Used to be called Something For The Weekend but we never put a name on her. At least she seems to have gone to a good home after I (VERY VERY!) sadly had to sell her due to circumstances. Not sure about the orange windows though :-) ...! Just found this thread / forum doing a bit of a search. My views on a couple of the ideas/comments: 1. Adding weight forward/increasing the waterline length. Not something I'd do at all - she'll be easy enough to nosedive in a breeze when your foredeck man is forward now!! 2. Adding a bulb to the keel - see above! 3. Light winds. I found she would go pretty well in nothing in comparison with other boats - sail it like a dinghy in some ways. Get the transom out and the crew to leeward and laying down - then just get them to keep very still. Only works if you have a patient crew! 4. As some have said when you get it going in a breeze you need to get all the crew aft and to windward then she will go like stink - and the joy as a helm is you still only need one hand on the tiller extension! 5. Do I see the pole stored up the mast in the big photos? We used to put it along the boom. 6. Waves. Someone mentioned they're not good in wave - I found it was good - if you played the waves (when going upwind for example) bearing away and nosing up accordingly. Downwind play them to get her planing - at Cowes week once I got a friend's projection (it was then called Gunrunner) planing on the stern wave of a larger yacht...gave us a good 'tow' past Cowes itself - much to their dismay/amazement as out bow was pretty close to their stern a few times! Once they realised I wasn't going to ram them they calmed down and laughed! Do you chaps sail with 4 or 5 onboard? We sometimes had 4 but were about 1 hand short so 5 was a bit better. Would love to own one again some time - or at least have a go on the helm again! Cheers, Leigh |
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simono ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24 |
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yeah, we find that she needs 5/6 on the rail uprwind in a blow to get her performing well. Usually only use 4/5 crew. we keep the pole on the boom, works quite well. We havnt had any major problems with nosediving, not like the Boss or 49er that we used to own! The reason for putting the weight forward in the boat is to reduce the waterline length, but mainly to increase the boats weight. I have spent this weekend at Burnham racing and managed to speak to one of the guys who is involved with sorting the ratings. The irc rules have been made against lightweight sportsboats and more in favour of heavier keelboats. Also another problem with the rules is the 'boat factor' and 'rig factor'. These are basically bodged by human intervention. We have found that she is quite light and could easily handle another 100kg or so. The question is whether this added weight would reduce the waterline length and reduce the 'length to displacement' ratio sufficiently to be beneficial. I certainly believe that in light wind this would be very beneficial, however as the wind speed increases the downwind speed would begin to be hindered. Antoher reason for the added weight, as we have found this weekend is that heavier boats carry thier way alot further. With the gusty conditions over the weekend we found ourselves losing a boat length or two when the wind dies and the boat slows much quicker than the larger boats.
I agree that the boat goes well through waves but in relation to a longer boat, the shorter boats start to seriously lose out when the sea state increases: as every boat in our class is around 8ft longer than us we find that we lose out in any rough water. Unfortunately these are the losses that you must accept when you race an interesting sportsboat like a projection. Saying all this, sailing on flat water in river, with short legs, quick tacking and a gentle breeze, the projection will dominate. |
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brys ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 89 |
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Well at last we\ are afloat and sailing. Crew gatting to grips and liking the boat. Now looking at asking sailimakers for quotes and their recomendations for replacing the "White" sails...... Can anyone help with comments about what they have found to be the most durable and effective (or are those terms mutually exclusive these days?) Private messages welcome if you have any "Strong" opinions you might like to share. Time is now pressing after the leech line on the 10 year old genoa failed on friday evening!
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Peter Van de Ve ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
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Peter Van de Ve ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
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We started with North Sails which were really good then moved to HYDE which have been ok and durable but i think the north sails were better, i noticed that Quantum have done a lot of work to optimise the projection sails, we have ano 3 100% blade jib which is great when windy, we go up wind very well with the no3 and main flattened off and tones of main sheet set at the bottom of the track (the boat stalls if the sheet is too high on the track. We have a 50 sq mtr kite on a 3.7mtr pole, no problem controlling, just move the weight to keep the boat flat, the trimmer should be aware of gusts and amount of weather helm, just ease the sheet before the helm gives up and the boat comes back under control very quickly. Regards Peter 7626 crumpet |
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TimC ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 153 |
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The only sailmaker I've dealt with since I started racing yachts is Quantum and I've never had any cause to look elsewhere. They've recently made me a cracking asymmetric and as soon as my whites need replacing I'll be going straight to them. Plus they're pretty local to you too Bryan. |
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DOUGk911 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 06 Location: Blyth , Northumberland Online Status: Offline Posts: 65 |
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My boat came with a set of good Hydes , the newish no.1 took a severe bashing in the strong winds in our winter series , but still has life in it . It is the top spec modern brown stuff and taffetta backed , without the taffetta I suspect it would have fallen appart before now .I know others using Hydes and they do seem to last pretty well.
I had Norths in dacron on my last yacht and they were very good , could not fault them. Am thinking of a dacron no. 1 for Projection ... anyone have any thoughts ? Certainly could save a few £ .. a little heavier ... will stretch more quickly ? I have since purchased a no. 2 which seems v good . I have a new Hyde 45 m kite also which seems v well made .I have also an assy on order .... have had excellent service from Wooderz at Hyde , nothing is too much trouble , 01392 498262 . Getting him to come way up North to sail my boat took a little time but am assured he will be making the long journey in the autumn . I'm sure there are other v good sailmakers out there . I also know from experience there are some poor ones .... maybe potentially not poor but can be too busy to give each sail the time and attention they deserve . Doug . 7632 |
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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I've had a bit of experience (spent two years repairing them sails) and generally I suspect that you get what you pay for... I think that in the future I'll probably go with a sailmaker that has already been involved in the manufacture of Projection sails, since they will have had a bit of time to optimise them. Hyde, Quantum and Goacher seem to be the obvious ones and coincidentally we have sails by all three. We're currently using an oldish set of orange kevlar Hydes which seem to work well although the cloth is very brittle (I'm sure they don't use this particular cloth anymore). We have no issues with the No1 which is good but well-used, but the main is a lttle difficult to set well in light winds. Our kevlar Quantum No1 is well made but a little deeper in the luff, maybe it's a little slower? The blade No3 is excellent. The main was damaged beyond repair before we got the boat so I can't comment... The Goacher pentex suit is more recent but I have to admit that we haven't tried them yet (saving them for when we're better), although I believe that 'Longshot' did some successful sailing using Goacher sails. Many North racing sails I have had to repair appear well made, competitive but very lightly built (can be an advantage but obviously affects durability) - but they don't come cheaply. I admit that I haven't had any practical experience of them. Doug, I don't recommend that you buy a genoa made from dacron. It stretches far more than an equivalent laminate cloth and deforms under load, making depowering difficult in the windy conditions that you're likely to want to use the Projection in. It's also a lot heavier! If you don't want to pay for kevlar or carbon then pentex might be a good compromise. I'm sure we'd all be curious to have any comment from sailmakers...
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DOUGk911 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 06 Location: Blyth , Northumberland Online Status: Offline Posts: 65 |
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We have just had one of our crew drop out for Cowes week , we need another , accom booked , lively mixed bunch of northeners , share costs and beer , tactical knowledge ? trim etc .. knowledge of area would be useful as we know nowt !
We will be trying to win however . Can call Doug on 077 944 395 34 . Doug 7632 |
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