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    Posted: 10 Sep 17 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by sargesail

It's also the curse of the modern, shorter championship.  Lose a day and you've lost a 1/4 or a third of your sailing.


But then you may be getting more people at the shorter championships anyway. I know in the phantoms the three day event is looked upon as being preferential to something longer. Means less time off work and with two discards means that you can still qualify even if you cannot turn up on the Friday. Helps teachers as the event is in term time
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Oh and yesterday they had four races so they are not down on the total number at all, unless of course the breeze kicks in earlier than forecast today
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Well said Chris J for daring to suggest yet another potential factor into the falling attendance debate. The diehards might scoff at the suggestion but anything - and it really does have to be 'anything' that contributes to the decline should be there for discussion.
One of the observations that has been made is that it is the middle and back end of the fleet than might be staying away and maybe, just maybe, this could be a reason why. Certainly the question raised by Chris J needs further investigation.

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Too many classes = too many Championships?  Is another question you might ask.

Back in the day when there were maybe 20 serious racing classes, their National Championship turnouts typically exceeded 100 boats, and were worthy of column inches in the broadsheets.

Since then I think think that dinghy sailing has got a bit soft with self bailers, transom flaps, wetsuits, RIBs and all  ...

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Chrisj and Dougaldog,
are you seriously suggesting that sailors who have the nerve to go out in strong winds are damaging attendances at Nationals ?
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There is a need to be careful though about expecting those lower down in the fleet to keep coming to Nationals if they have difficulty in getting round the course in strong winds. In the 300 we have a course (just a triangle, no runs) for use when it gets windy, purely to help everyone get round the course and finish.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Too many classes = too many Championships?  Is another question you might ask.
Back in the day when there were maybe 20 serious racing classes, ...

That was the 1950s. If you do the numbers you find there were a lot more classes in the late 60s and 70s than there are now, not fewer.
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There needs to be more choice not less, better designed boats that make it easier to finish windy races, not stupid once it blows force four. Look at that choosing a boat thread a new guy having to choose between a Solo, Streaker and Lightning ffs how long is he going to last?

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423 Zero.. There are no right or wrong answers, just as there are no 'silly' questions - the debate was/is about the fall of in numbers. One trend that has been noted is a fall off in the second half of the fleet. Now I am suggesting nothing, other than thinking that we need to understand this better. There is a school of thought that the dynamics of Championships fleets has undergone a subtle change and that this is just another factor that is proving to be a 'dis-incentive' to some of the members of the fleet...members who might well be long standing supporters of the class .
As one who travels extensively around the UK, either looking at events or as RO at various Championships, I have seen this factor at work first hand. Now I cannot explain why it should be, if there was a simple answer then I think that people would be making changes already. But the change is there and Chris J was just one who pointed it out. Maybe...just maybe, it is the whole 'championship' thing that needs a rethink. Who knows? I wish I did......

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When I did some research on wind strengths some years back I discovered that there seem to be windy decades and quiet decades. In quiet decades classes tend to add more rag, in windy decades maybe they regret it. My impression, without actually doing the research, is that we do seem to be in a windy period at the moment.

Edited by JimC - 10 Sep 17 at 3:17pm
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