New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Is Racing Allowed?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Is Racing Allowed?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 1112131415 31>
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
nutonthetiller View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 17 Aug 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 31 		Post Options Post Options   Quote nutonthetiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Is Racing Allowed?
    Posted: 15 Jun 20 at 9:05pm
Read the government documents. You always have been allowed organised events. The myth that you can’t has spread but it is a myth.
Back to Top
Mozzy View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 21 Apr 20
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 209 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Mozzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 20 at 9:26pm
The name did make me wince. 

For what it's worth, the angler committee is self appointed by three or four blokes, only one of which still posts. 

He's fighting a battle where there is none. The club don't have a issue with anglers. But out of decency ask them to avoid launching times for obvious hook-casting issues. 

What the club has an issue with is people tailgating through barriers, parking on private land. Blocking access to the lifeboats. Damaging club property. People wandering through the boat park and about the site (not beach), using the facilities etc. 

You'll notice their page has very little traction, despite a large angling community. That's because most are sensible and know the score. One or two comment on their posts, including boasting about tailgating through barriers and using their blue badge to park on double yellows. 

It's interesting that the biggest response a post has ever got is from the sailing community!

Personally, I fail to see that I am gathered (with regard to the regulation and their purpose) in a sailing race and am therefore happy to do so. I feel no more gathered by racing in the same area than cruising in the same area. I can see others might feel differently and respect their decision. 
Back to Top
polc1410 View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 10 Jan 08
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 147 		Post Options Post Options   Quote polc1410 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 20 at 9:27pm
The debate isn't

"Are you allowed organised events"

The debate is basically

"Is racing a gathering of more than 6 people?"   

To me the conflicting guidance is the "return to competitive sport"  guidelines.  That seems to have allowed 22 guys, a ball, 2 managers, some subs, and at least 3 officials to gather for 90 minutes.  The first footy match being on Wednesday (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53005324).  Nothing in that guidance says you must be a multi-million pound professional.  Definitely not socially distanced. 
Back to Top
423zero View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 08 Jan 15
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 20 at 9:28pm
Dear me, everything seems to have kicked off, fortunately BLM issues should keep press busy, hate most fish murderers anyway, t***ers casting 150yards and then moaning when you snag their lines.
Robert
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 20 at 10:01pm
To be honest he, the fisherman, seems a complete plonker. I’m all for a return to racing but it has to be seen to be in a responsible and sensitive way and not looking for loopholes or “everyone’s at it” justification.  I know Ian Walker has said the RYA can’t give a one size fits all guide, but it does seem to me they could be a bit clearer on whether club racing is a gathering or not.  
Back to Top
zeon View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 20 Aug 16
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 316 		Post Options Post Options   Quote zeon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 20 at 10:34pm
........

Edited by zeon - 01 Oct 20 at 12:49pm
Back to Top
polc1410 View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 10 Jan 08
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 147 		Post Options Post Options   Quote polc1410 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 20 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by polc1410

 Nothing in that guidance says you must be a multi-million pound professional. 
Aha - I've just decided to read the law rather than the guidance.    You need to be an elite athlete (and yes the law does define that - and no I'm not sure being the Foxer National Champion counts!)

So we return to the is this a gathering of 6 people....

This is what the law actually says

"no person may participate in a gathering which takes place in a public or private place -
(a) outdoors, and consists of more than six persons"

(there are bits that address if same family, same bubble etc. But for most situations this is the bit that matters.)

Gathering is defined as: here is a gathering when two or more people are present together in the same place in order to engage in any form of social interaction with each other, or to undertake any other activity with each other;
(my bold)

There is nothing ambiguous here.  We might wish there was so we can pretend racing is different, because we know the risk is low.  But we actually need the rules to change, either to specify a bigger gathering, or to add a specific exemption.  A specific exemption may seem far fetched, but, there is an exemption for this: "the person concerned is attending a drive-in cinema in a car or other vehicle, and the people in the vehicle are members of the same household..."  If we think we aren't gathering, explain to me why someone effectively being parked in a closed car next to me to watch a big TV screen would need an exemption...

So lets be clear - Hayling Island are wrong in their interpretation.  The Hamble, if they are running their Foxer Race in the conventional format are wrong.  Since its an unconventional boat - a modification to format would seem plausible. 
Back to Top
Paramedic View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 27 Jan 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 929 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 20 at 6:33am
Sorry, I think Hayling have been very, very shortsighted on this one.

We are two/three weeks away from what should be a significant easing of restrictions. 4th July.

Whatever the local politics - that HISC know full well about, this cannot be a surprise to them -  Hayling Island SC are now plastered all over the front pages of various forums in the sailing and fishing community and will have become extremely prominent on a social media group. David's experience at Salcombe (this might be detailed elsewhere)  tells us that there is a good chance that Chichester Harbour Authority will be having a discussion as to whether dinghy racing is going to be allowed. They will certainly be coming under pressure to have this discussion.

If they say no, who is to say that they will allow it to start on 4th July? And this will affect several clubs, not just HISC.

Now, again, I don't believe that there is ANY chance of transmission between boats and, yes, I think that racing should be allowed. But is isn't, and this could cause it to be specifically banned in one of the largest harbours in the uk - and you can't take for granted that they will lift any ban on 4th July. Well done HISC.


Edited by Paramedic - 16 Jun 20 at 6:43am
Back to Top
Paramedic View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 27 Jan 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 929 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 20 at 6:40am
To add to the above, whats more frustrating is that there are so many other ways they could have done it. Start in flights, time trials, etc. etc.

But 50 odd boats in the Corona Cup??? Really???????

It's guaranteed to wind people up.
Back to Top
Paramedic View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 27 Jan 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 929 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 20 at 6:46am
Originally posted by A2Z

To be honest he, the fisherman, seems a complete plonker. I’m all for a return to racing but it has to be seen to be in a responsible and sensitive way and not looking for loopholes or “everyone’s at it” justification.  I know Ian Walker has said the RYA can’t give a one size fits all guide, but it does seem to me they could be a bit clearer on whether club racing is a gathering or not.  

Yes, agreed on all counts.

With RYA backing the club would at least have something to fall back on. As it stands they have no moral grounding at all other than their own interpretation of the rules.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 1112131415 31>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy