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    Posted: 29 Jan 18 at 4:32pm
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Originally posted by sargesail

In the same way I note that  those of a certain (young) age and unwillingness are increasingly getting involved in organisational roles.

'twas ever thus. When you're young you take from the sport and let others to the boring organisation. When you're older you feel its time to put something back and do the ****. If it turns out that the next generation is so completely up their own posteriors and self obsessed than they won't stand up when its their turn then everything will fall apart and they'll get what they deserve for their kids... Most likely it won't though, because it was ever thus...

I hope you are right, but it was ever thus that men retired at 65 and women at 60, safe in the knowledge their NI contribution would provide a basic level of pension they could live on.... all without 20 years of student debt and 6 x income mortgages- incidently paying over-inflated prices for property to top-up the generation that went before them's pension fund, ironically fuelling a boom in early retirement!

That said, working till 75 might seem like a pipe dream given the gloom and doom predicted with the rise of automation and disruptive technologies.  

Gordon Gekko said it best, but I guess he's probably not up there on your favourite list of Hollywood characters:



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Well if an enlightened Gordon is correct and time is the prime asset and not money.

Why waste time working to earn money to earn to pay someone else to rig your boat, do your duties and a commercial company make a profit from your ever scarcer leisure time.

Wise up, stop chasing our tails and go down the sailing Club to mess about in boats.

Oh yes and if Windguru says < a F3 go anyway, because you just never know.  
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Originally posted by Do Different

Why waste time working to earn money to earn to pay someone else to rig your boat, do your duties and a commercial company make a profit from your ever scarcer leisure time.

well, that depends whether the you is an ordinary working person like you or I, or an executive on ever inflating salaries and bonuses, who gets an order of magnitude more income per hour than the minimum wage peons who would be employed by the brave new world leisure sailing companies.
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Maybe Jezza can add ‘ time off for sailing ‘ to the rest of his bunch of bullsh*t one liners on his next manifesto pledge?

Anyway, I hope you’re right Jim, I’d imagine time becomes a lot more fluid when the nest empties eventually! And certainly when one hangs up their boots from the work game and the 9-5 is no longer at someone else beck and call.

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Originally posted by Eisvogel

Perhaps what could help is something they started in Germany a few years back: the Sailing Bundesliga (only we would call it the "Cat o' Nine Tails Championship" or something similar), where clubs battle it out in a league format. Might attract more people to their local clubs, as they'd identify more with a club at their location than with an individual sailor.
Late to this. But the RYA started the keelboat league last year. Happening again this year. 
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Main reason our interclub league stopped was due to members realising club they visited was way better than theirs, so moved club.
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Originally posted by Eisvogel

Perhaps what could help is something they started in Germany a few years back: the Sailing Bundesliga (only we would call it the "Cat o' Nine Tails Championship" or something similar), where clubs battle it out in a league format. Might attract more people to their local clubs, as they'd identify more with a club at their location than with an individual sailor.
Late to this. But the RYA started the keelboat league last year. Happening again this year. 

The problem is, sailing isn't really a "club" sport. A club is really just a place to sail. Unlike other sports, which are possibly more team based where you would have First Team, Second Team and so on and so on sailing in crew boats tends to be because your are just good mates who sail together (for the most part).
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Originally posted by JohnJack

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The problem is, sailing isn't really a "club" sport. A club is really just a place to sail. Unlike other sports, which are possibly more team based where you would have First Team, Second Team and so on and so on sailing in crew boats tends to be because your are just good mates who sail together (for the most part).

I agree. I've been involved with a few different 'inter-club' things over the years, they often seem to breed resentment and apathy in the club that gets thrashed and people who don't make the team.
The arguments about the best way to score an event where some clubs could field 10 boats and others only 5, when each clubs uses their own munged PY scale, can go on a long time.
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Clubs need to adapt and change - sure but in the end they always have.  The sport will be smaller in the future and consolidation is likely - that is a given.  Those that say they want 'commercial' club-like services will have to set up businesses themselves, stump up when others try or simply put up. 

For all the rhetoric here the hypothetical commercial provider model are plainly non-investable on any scale for the foreseeable.
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Originally posted by Cirrus

 For all the rhetoric here the hypothetical commercial provider model are plainly non-investable on any scale for the foreseeable.

which was precisely my original point...  

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by 423zero

One section of article mentioned a return to pre war elitist sailing for the fairly wealthy, can't see how this could happen,
 

Its fairly easy to imagine clubs with paid staff and no duties or other volunteer requirements from the members, and thus matching membership fees. Indeed I've seen it advocated here. Once the membership fees are up in the sky the rest sorts itself out.
 

As an advocate of that very model, I’m sadly still firmly of the belief there isn’t the ROI for it to work... yet.


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